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Re: Apaches
« Reply #75 on: April 17, 2018, 11:49:55 »
Going back on track.

Interesting article about The Ansbach Trials:   http://jgmjgm516.blogspot.com/2012/07/why-canada-doesnt-have-attack.html

Good info in this book as well: U.S. Armed Forces Arsenal: A Guide To Modern Combat Hardware

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Re: Apaches
« Reply #76 on: April 17, 2018, 12:16:36 »
Interesting read on the history of these policies.
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« Reply #77 on: April 22, 2018, 19:49:49 »
Now that Japan self defense force and Canadian Military signed a Military pact. Do you think they will allow use Attack Helicopter to Canada what about an AH1 or AH64DJP

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« Reply #78 on: April 22, 2018, 19:52:11 »
AH64DJP

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Re: Apaches
« Reply #79 on: April 23, 2018, 08:57:01 »
Now that Japan self defense force and Canadian Military signed a Military pact. Do you think they will allow use Attack Helicopter to Canada what about an AH1 or AH64DJP

I think it is more likely that Justin Trudeau would go to work tomorrow for Mobil-Exon, than the CAF would get attack helicopters.

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« Reply #80 on: April 23, 2018, 09:35:46 »
Going back on track.

Interesting article about The Ansbach Trials:   http://jgmjgm516.blogspot.com/2012/07/why-canada-doesnt-have-attack.html

Good info in this book as well: U.S. Armed Forces Arsenal: A Guide To Modern Combat Hardware

Disclaimer: I am not the author nor editor nor commercial interest in selling it.

That post proves to me that Canada as a country is a dilettante when it comes to defence. Come to think of it, we as a nation are a dilettante on many issues.

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« Reply #81 on: April 23, 2018, 11:43:30 »
I think it is more likely that Justin Trudeau would go to work tomorrow for Mobil-Exon, than the CAF would get attack helicopters.

Or me going to work for the Liberal party..... ;)
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« Reply #82 on: April 23, 2018, 12:48:47 »
I think it is more likely that Justin Trudeau would go to work tomorrow for Mobil-Exon, than the CAF would get attack helicopters.

He probably owns shares ....
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Re: Apaches
« Reply #83 on: April 24, 2018, 23:27:32 »
I think that realistically one option will be to start working with the Motherland at BATUS using the Air-Ground Helicopter Troops Support that British uses.

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Re: Apaches
« Reply #84 on: April 24, 2018, 23:31:41 »
Just get some loaners from the US since they are downsizing aviation assets.

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« Reply #85 on: April 24, 2018, 23:34:43 »
Just get some loaners from the US since they are downsizing aviation assets.

Good option, another get from the British Army as they are shelving Model A...upgrade them to D (Block III)

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« Reply #86 on: April 25, 2018, 10:48:35 »
You do realize that there is a lot more to getting helicopters than getting the aircraft. You have to have a logistics system to support them, spare parts, training both pilots and technicians (on real aircraft and simulators), infrastructure to house them.  This goes for any piece of equipment, you look at what capability gaps we currently have and what is the best way to mitigate those gaps and whether or not we can afford to invest into that capability (financially or resource wise), can we afford to add another fleet of aircraft into the system.
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« Reply #87 on: April 25, 2018, 10:52:51 »
You do realize that there is a lot more to getting helicopters than getting the aircraft. You have to have a logistics system to support them, spare parts, training both pilots and technicians (on real aircraft and simulators), infrastructure to house them.  This goes for any piece of equipment, you look at what capability gaps we currently have and what is the best way to mitigate those gaps and whether or not we can afford to invest into that capability (financially or resource wise), can we afford to add another fleet of aircraft into the system.

You are wasting your breath. Once a fanboy gets a platform stuck in their head, there is no point in using logic...

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Re: Apaches
« Reply #88 on: April 25, 2018, 14:49:30 »
I would like a medium lift helicopter capable of mounting missiles, rockets and MGs without a major loss in performance or range, along with the systems to do so.

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« Reply #89 on: April 25, 2018, 15:07:29 »
I would like a medium lift helicopter capable of mounting missiles, rockets and MGs without a major loss in performance or range, along with the systems to do so.

Blackhawk? I’m an infantry dude so small words please ;)
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« Reply #90 on: April 26, 2018, 14:03:42 »
I would like a medium lift helicopter capable of mounting missiles, rockets and MGs without a major loss in performance or range, along with the systems to do so.

Yes, we can go back to the 60s and use this as a role model. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohcvIHNbOHc

Maybe they'll throw in a few bugles for free? ;)
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« Reply #91 on: April 26, 2018, 14:13:29 »
Don't forget the surfboards and napalm. :)

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« Reply #92 on: April 26, 2018, 14:30:39 »
I would like a medium lift helicopter capable of mounting missiles, rockets and MGs without a major loss in performance or range, along with the systems to do so.

CH-148 or 149??

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Re: Apaches
« Reply #93 on: April 26, 2018, 15:36:26 »
Technically we have both in the system and either would do, replace 1 squadron of Griffons with these and then replace the remaining Griffons with the more powerful updated version (or rebuild them like the USMC is doing) to the later variant. Develop an armament suite for both airframes including rockets, perhaps Hellfires or similar and guns. Add in a sensor package. They can be switched from transport to escort/support as required. It's the 50% solution, but I don't see any other hope. We can call them Conflict Resolution Providers or Force Protection Platforms and quite a bit of the work can be done in Canada, meaning jobs. Never use that ugly word : "Attack".   

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« Reply #94 on: April 26, 2018, 16:42:24 »
Technically we have both in the system and either would do, replace 1 squadron of Griffons with these and then replace the remaining Griffons with the more powerful updated version (or rebuild them like the USMC is doing) to the later variant. Develop an armament suite for both airframes including rockets, perhaps Hellfires or similar and guns. Add in a sensor package. They can be switched from transport to escort/support as required. It's the 50% solution, but I don't see any other hope. We can call them Conflict Resolution Providers or Force Protection Platforms and quite a bit of the work can be done in Canada, meaning jobs. Never use that ugly word : "Attack".   

The press already calls the Griffon an attack helicopter, so with upgrades they'll start to call it a flying-battleship or something.

I've always thought that would be the plan for the Griffon life-extension project. Have it all done in QC as an excuse to throw money at the aero industry there. Rebuild them slowly to keep a line going, throw money at PW Canada for new engines. Then buy some Cobras in a rush to protect the Griffons after something horrible happens on a peacema...peace support mission after an outcry over why we sent people in aircraft so lightly armoured (iltis, Gators ring a bell). Have those Cobras sustained on a nice fat maintenance/support contract out of QC.

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Re: Apaches
« Reply #95 on: April 26, 2018, 18:29:41 »
Let's call them PEACE Griffons.


Projectile and Explosive Armed Conflict Eliminator Griffons.


Get the pilots to start wearing Man-Buns, and growing hipster beards (see the Dress Regs thread) and make sure they're bluetooth equipped so that we can suggest that we are on the cutting edge of system integration.


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« Reply #96 on: April 26, 2018, 22:27:38 »
You do realize that there is a lot more to getting helicopters than getting the aircraft. You have to have a logistics system to support them, spare parts, training both pilots and technicians (on real aircraft and simulators), infrastructure to house them.  This goes for any piece of equipment, you look at what capability gaps we currently have and what is the best way to mitigate those gaps and whether or not we can afford to invest into that capability (financially or resource wise), can we afford to add another fleet of aircraft into the system.

Indeed. There are the logistics behind implement this kind of hardware: supply chain, training, etc.Totally worth it and thats why I do think that the optimal and cheapest option is to go under the British Army Umbrella.

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« Reply #97 on: April 26, 2018, 22:33:23 »
Look this modified Black Hawk called Level III by Israel https://www.youtube.com/embed/PUJja7V5VGw?Autoplay=1rel=0&wmode=transparent

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« Reply #98 on: April 27, 2018, 00:33:57 »
A fanatic - one who won’t change his mind and won’t change the subject.
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« Reply #99 on: April 27, 2018, 11:42:46 »
A fanatic - one who won’t change his mind and won’t change the subject.

fa·nat·ic
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noun
noun: fanatic; plural noun: fanatics
a person with an obsessive interest in and enthusiasm for something, especially an activity.
"a fitness fanatic" .

I thought that Apaches name on the thread was the whole purpose  ;D...and also thought that study after study. It has shown that there is indeed a gap in terms on ground support. How to close it that's the US$65M question - cost of a new Apache - no pun intended-
I like that idea of replacing Griffons with improved "support" versions Made in Canada of course.