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Re: Graduate Studies / Master Degree / PhD [MERGED]
« Reply #75 on: June 17, 2013, 23:03:01 »
Well, I would like to make a career out of the Canadian Forces. I was in cadets when I was in high school and like the culture, and the more I learned about the CF, the more it appealed to me.

Right now the best case scenario for me would be to be able to join the CF as an officer after I get my master's degree and serve until I retire. However, things might not always work out, so I would like to study something that is transferable to the civilian side of things as well. Therefore, I'm leaning more towards the MPA side of things right now. As well I've always been interested in a variety of topics in the social sciences, and the interdisciplinary nature of the MPA suits that.

In addition, attending RMC has been a dream of mine since I was 13. Unfortunately I was unable to get into ROTP program for my undergrad. I think I can still realize that dream by doing my master's degree there.

With 2 years left on my undergraduate, I still have some time to think things over. Thank you all for giving such great advice and I certainly will keep them in mind.  :salute:
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Re: Graduate Studies / Master Degree / PhD [MERGED]
« Reply #77 on: July 25, 2013, 14:04:11 »
As I say, I'm rarely on here but the difference between an MPA and an MA.
MPA will not cut it if you are planning to further your career in academia, it is applied and will teach you how to write BNs and understand the structures of Gov't, most of which you could learn in a CSPS course called "How Ottawa Works" if you join the department.
I went with the MA because I was planning on doing a PhD, was talked out of it, still managed to get hired as faculty at CDA HQ and am now a public servant with another department.
Just depends on what your goals are. Also if you are a career officer, you will likely get some sort of MPA at some point or another through CFC.

Also, 54/102 CEF it is likely inevitable that we know each other unless you weren't in Kingston.
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Re: Graduate Studies / Master Degree / PhD [MERGED]
« Reply #78 on: October 06, 2013, 12:19:04 »
Just a bit on "a day in the life of" an RMC grad student (as opposed to the utility of the degree):

Full disclosure: I did it back in the mid90s, as a RegF offr.

The OP suggested a desire to go to RMC as a cadet.  Just to be clear -- grad students at RMC are not/not members of the cadet wing, and do not go through any of that sort of thing, although they may interact tangentially with the cadets through activities like sports/clubs/social events.  This is not unlike, I suppose, the relationship between undergrads and grad students at civilian universities generally.

Grad students at RMC fall into three general groups: RegF officers (many of whom are ex-cadets, but many of whom are not), reserve officers, and civilians.  When I was there (War Studies 95-96) there were four of us RegF, and (the following are estimates from memory) about two dozen reserve officers (actually, two were CIL) and perhaps ten civilians.  The RegF officers were all majors/captains, who had managed to convince the system to send us for post grad.  We ranged in age from late twenties to (I would say) mid/late thirties.  The reservists and civilians were all more stereotypical students -- early/mid twenties, straight from civilian university undergrads.

Daily life was similar to grad students everywhere: a low cost apartment somewhere in Kingston (although one of the RegF majors lived in the then PMQs that are now the CDA headquarters bldg).  Several grad seminar classes a week to attend, a grad student lounge to hang out in, working in the library. RegF officers wore uniform to class.  Civilians obviously wore civilian clothes.  Reservists, honestly I can't remember.

Having also been a grad student at a civilian university, I would suggest that overall the grad student experience at RMC is very like civilian university generally, which is very much *NOT* the case with the comparison between the RMC undergrad experience and civilian university.

Just my two cents worth.  (And I have to add, for my penance for grad school I had to go to NDHQ which took me four years to escape...)

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Re: Graduate Studies / Master Degree / PhD [MERGED]
« Reply #79 on: November 21, 2013, 20:23:52 »
One of my teacher did his MA in War Studies at Kingston, and since I was looking into grad school options in that field, told me that it wasn't what it used to be. What he meant by that, I didn't probe much further to find out, but it's something to be aware of. Of course, he's a research professor, so he might have been talking from a research/post-grad possibilities.

After reading up on the subject however, I am distinctly interested in a MA in War Studies at King's College in London (UK). Apparently they are one of the best grad schools when it comes to that particular topic, and you can do it in one year (Fall, Winter, Summer). The price is pretty steep however, so that's another thing to take into consideration, as the cost of living in the UK is pretty punitive.

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Re: Graduate Studies / Master Degree / PhD [MERGED]
« Reply #80 on: January 29, 2014, 20:27:44 »
I'm currently a 3rd year Chemical Engineering student going through ROTP, currently in the ACSO trade.

My question is, what kind of opportunities are there to pursue graduate studies (possibly in aerospace/mechanical engineering) at some point during my career? Would studying in the United States pose any problems?  I understand that a master's or PhD is required to achieve a specific rank, but perhaps it's possible to pursue this sooner than later.

Thanks for any advice/help!

Phil

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Re: Graduate Studies / Master Degree / PhD [MERGED]
« Reply #81 on: January 29, 2014, 21:11:02 »
The CAF sponsors a certain number of officers each year for masters and PhDs.  There are specified programs of interest, most of which incur servie immediately after in that field.  You also incur obligatory service for all studies.
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Re: Graduate Studies / Master Degree / PhD [MERGED]
« Reply #82 on: January 29, 2014, 22:42:20 »
I'm currently a 3rd year Chemical Engineering student going through ROTP, currently in the ACSO trade.

My question is, what kind of opportunities are there to pursue graduate studies (possibly in aerospace/mechanical engineering) at some point during my career? Would studying in the United States pose any problems?  I understand that a master's or PhD is required to achieve a specific rank, but perhaps it's possible to pursue this sooner than later.

Thanks for any advice/help!

Phil

As dapaterson says, there are opportunities.  However, most are at Capt/Maj level for ACSOs and depending on the program, last year's courses were mostly in Canadian universities.  There are opportunities in the US though (Embry-Riddle comes to mind) but most of those were for AERE.
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Re: Graduate Studies / Master Degree / PhD [MERGED]
« Reply #83 on: January 30, 2014, 00:13:52 »
This is something that interests me as well. I will be finishing my undergrad (as a ROTP student) in 2 years and then plan on doing my mandatory service for 5 years. However, I'm very much interested in pursuing my Master's in War Studies at Kings College in the UK. I assume I won't be able to be subsidized for this, but how likely is it that I can get a 1 year sabbatical to complete it and then return to my posting?

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Re: Graduate Studies / Master Degree / PhD [MERGED]
« Reply #84 on: January 30, 2014, 00:17:04 »
This is something that interests me as well. I will be finishing my undergrad (as a ROTP student) in 2 years and then plan on doing my mandatory service for 5 years. However, I'm very much interested in pursuing my Master's in War Studies at Kings College in the UK. I assume I won't be able to be subsidized for this, but how likely is it that I can get a 1 year sabbatical to complete it and then return to my posting?

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Re: Graduate Studies / Master Degree / PhD [MERGED]
« Reply #85 on: January 30, 2014, 02:08:06 »
In the Regular Force? Likely never.

Interesting, mind expanding? Is there spots but they are highly competitive, or is it simply something that's not done at all? Or perhaps I'll be way too busy?

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Re: Graduate Studies / Master Degree / PhD [MERGED]
« Reply #86 on: January 30, 2014, 05:44:04 »
Interesting, mind expanding? Is there spots but they are highly competitive, or is it simply something that's not done at all? Or perhaps I'll be way too busy?

It's more because of the levels of authority involved. You're talking about requesting one year's Leave Without Pay (LWOP) -- that needs to be approved by Director General Military Careers, with recommendations from both the CO and Officer Commanding a Command.

Assuming a typical Army career path for junior officers that is newly graduated from RMC -- that would be the Commanding Officer of one of the battalions or regiments in a mechanized brigade, and the Commander Canadian Army. Odds are that both of those gentlemen are keen on junior officers spending time with their troops and their units.

Now, once you've done battalion/regiment time and are on a second or third posting, the dynamic changes. While the army commander would now probably be more amenable to sign off, the CO likely still wouldn't be, since he doesn't get a backfill for LWOP. He does get a backfill for personnel that are doing their Master's on duty status, since they are posted into a post-grad position.

I know plenty of CF officers that have done a post-grad on duty status, both inside Canada and at foreign schools. I know none that did it on LWOP.

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Re: Graduate Studies / Master Degree / PhD [MERGED]
« Reply #87 on: January 30, 2014, 08:48:19 »
There are opportunities at the rank of Maj/LCol to attend foreign staff colleges, and receive a Masters for those studies.

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Re: Graduate Studies / Master Degree / PhD [MERGED]
« Reply #88 on: January 30, 2014, 10:46:39 »
Or you can submit an ILP and do a Masters in your own time. The likelihood of being able to do this in any format other then online is unlikely given the requirements to have a day job and the location of most bases. Also, the funding for ILPs is changing in the new fiscal year to only 50% reimbursement so you'll be on the hook for the other half.
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Re: Graduate Studies / Master Degree / PhD [MERGED]
« Reply #89 on: January 30, 2014, 12:24:21 »
As dapaterson says, there are opportunities.  However, most are at Capt/Maj level for ACSOs and depending on the program, last year's courses were mostly in Canadian universities.  There are opportunities in the US though (Embry-Riddle comes to mind) but most of those were for AERE.
Interesting! Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University is actually the one I am looking at!

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Re: Graduate Studies / Master Degree / PhD [MERGED]
« Reply #90 on: January 30, 2014, 12:57:55 »
CANFORGEN 183/13 provides a list of the sponsored positions open for 2014 starts.  ACSO appears 17 times in the list; there are 7 Any GSO starts as well.

As stated, you can also pursue on your own time, with some CAF support.


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Re: Graduate Studies / Master Degree / PhD [MERGED]
« Reply #91 on: January 30, 2014, 14:50:41 »
I'm currently a 3rd year Chemical Engineering student going through ROTP, currently in the ACSO trade.

My question is, what kind of opportunities are there to pursue graduate studies (possibly in aerospace/mechanical engineering) at some point during my career? Would studying in the United States pose any problems?  I understand that a master's or PhD is required to achieve a specific rank, but perhaps it's possible to pursue this sooner than later.

Thanks for any advice/help!

Phil
As an ACSO I don't believe a master's or PhD are hard requirements to achieve any rank, though they will in all likelihood make you more competitive for promotion.

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Re: Graduate Studies / Master Degree / PhD [MERGED]
« Reply #92 on: January 30, 2014, 15:21:26 »
Masters and PhDs do add points at the promotion boards.
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Re: Graduate Studies / Master Degree / PhD [MERGED]
« Reply #93 on: January 30, 2014, 21:46:02 »
Nearly forgot:  Aerospace Systems Course has an option for Masters of Public Admin or Masters of (something) Engineering if you add a few courses to the baseline ASC.  Since you already have an Eng background, that's probably something you can look at after your first operational posting. 

ASC seems to always be looking for people so I can't see it being too tough to get on.  Finishing it may be a different story.
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Re: Graduate Studies / Master Degree / PhD [MERGED]
« Reply #94 on: February 01, 2014, 00:15:28 »
Thanks for all the info guys, this is very helpful. I'll see when I get there, for now I'm definitely focusing on finishing my undergrad, but here's to hoping I can do it full time eventually.

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Re: Graduate Studies / Master Degree / PhD [MERGED]
« Reply #95 on: February 03, 2014, 15:32:08 »
Hi everyone,

I'm an OS in the RCN reserves and I've just about wrapped up my 3rd year of a BA in Political Science. Thus far I have completely paid for my education with no reimbursements from the CF (not even the $2000 a year my recruiter promised me :P).

I'm hoping to apply for the War Studies MA program at RMC. Would I qualify for ROTP or RETP? If not, what are my other options.

Thanks!


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Re: Graduate Studies / Master Degree / PhD [MERGED]
« Reply #96 on: February 03, 2014, 15:52:52 »
Hi everyone,
I'm an OS in the RCN reserves and I've just about wrapped up my 3rd year of a BA in Political Science. Thus far I have completely paid for my education with no reimbursements from the CF (not even the $2000 a year my recruiter promised me :P).
I'm hoping to apply for the War Studies MA program at RMC. Would I qualify for ROTP or RETP? If not, what are my other options.
Thanks!

Sounds like you didn't quite understand the reimbursement thing.  You have to "apply" for it, in advance or during and it has to be approved ahead of time before reimbursement takes place.

As an "OS" I doubt pursuing an MA would qualify for reimbursement.  If you still have one more year to go for your undergrad, you can try to apply for ROTP/RETP or ask your current Res Unit if RESO is an available option at this time, if you don't want to go Regular Force and prefer to remain in the Reserves.
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Re: Graduate Studies / Master Degree / PhD [MERGED]
« Reply #97 on: February 03, 2014, 16:21:48 »
ROTP and RETP do not provide MAs.
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Re: Graduate Studies / Master Degree / PhD [MERGED]
« Reply #98 on: February 05, 2014, 22:54:06 »
Yes thanks everyone. I know this is quite a far look into the future for me, but hopefully others find it useful too.

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Re: Graduate Studies / Master Degree / PhD [MERGED]
« Reply #99 on: August 20, 2014, 20:53:20 »
So I'm finishing off my last handful of credits towards obtaining the DMASc diploma and I'm starting to ponder this "advanced standing" that's offered by RMC towards a BMASc.

Has anyone here fired down that range before?  I'm curious as to how the process works / what to expect.

Thanks gents