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Re: Comm Research
« Reply #275 on: January 22, 2017, 00:04:02 »
3 years to get a clearance !  That's a waste of time and money...

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Re: Comm Research
« Reply #276 on: January 22, 2017, 09:10:28 »
3 years to get a clearance !  That's a waste of time and money...
Normally doesn't take that long but someone didn't do their job and submit the paperwork after the member submitted it.

I believe the average is around 1-1.5 years. Consider the ramifications of not properly vetting people who handle highly classified material on a daily basis. We can't afford another TRINTY incident.

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Re: Comm Research
« Reply #277 on: January 22, 2017, 09:49:13 »
3 years to get a clearance !  That's a waste of time and money...

Normally doesn't take that long but someone didn't do their job and submit the paperwork after the member submitted it.

I believe the average is around 1-1.5 years. Consider the ramifications of not properly vetting people who handle highly classified material on a daily basis. We can't afford another TRINTY incident.

The other factor that many overlook is the Operational Tempo that CAF may be at at the time of submitting a request for a higher level of Clearance.  Training is at the bottom of the list when they need to get people out the door for Operations.
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Re: Comm Research
« Reply #278 on: February 18, 2017, 20:17:50 »
I know this is a 5-year old thread but I just want to ask people who are familiar with purple trade. I don't want to create a thread either.

I got an offer for Comm Rsch in the Navy and AFAIK I will not be doing BMQ-L but instead a Naval Environmental Training. My question is: if all goes right, I pass BMQ and then naval training, what's next? Farewell Esquimalt or Halifax? OR do I get to do another naval training here and there in either those places as my career progresses in the service? I just find it weird to not getting in touch with Navy after naval training.

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Re: Comm Research
« Reply #279 on: February 18, 2017, 20:53:28 »
I just want to ask people who are familiar with purple trade. I don't want to create a thread either.

No need to. There already is a Purple Trade mega-thread,

For reference, perhaps,

Purple trade recruiting

will be merged into,

Purple Trades: Definition & Trg Discussion 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=22558.250
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I got an offer for Comm Rsch in the Navy

I believe you are familiar with this discussion,

Comm Research
http://milnet.ca/forums/index.php/topic,78481.msg1473475.html#msg1473475
11 pages.

1. What are the chances of going to Kingston for training after BMQ-L? Should I expect to be PAT platoon before I get to training?
2. I read the MOSID for CommsRsch, why does it start at Cpl? So I need to get promoted to Cpl to be fully-trained?
3. Is it true that you either get posted to Kingston or Ottawa for this trade or you can be a CommsRsrch at CFB Wainright?
4. According to trade's MOSID, this is a rotating shift. I have never been on this type of shift, so how did you guys got used to it?
5. As described by my recruiter, is this trade really like James Bond? Or more like Claire Danes on Homeland without the bipolar?

So when you're all fully-trained and got the clearance, you're likely to be up for promotion by then, if I got it right?
I assume that you have never worked in CFS Leitrim? I was reading on other threads here that new CommsRsch members are sent there.

I don't mind it wherever I get posted if I were to get offered for the job. But it feels like Ottawa is more expensive when it comes to renting a basement or a studio apartment compared to Kingston. Plus, a single person in his 2nd or 3rd year in the service would barely be able to afford living there, IMO.

Communications research operator navy?
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=115109.0

See also,
https://www.google.ca/search?q=site%3Aarmy.ca+purple&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-CA:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7GGHP_en-GBCA592&gfe_rd=cr&ei=cfmoWIitMuOM8QfvkpCIAQ&gws_rd=ssl#q=site:army.ca+comm+rsch

As always,  Recruiting is your most trusted source of information.

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Re: Comm Research
« Reply #280 on: March 11, 2017, 18:33:08 »
Hey guys - I got the call last month and I heading for BMQ in a couple of weeks! So they offered me a COMM RSCH in the Navy! (Yes, I was hoping to be with the NAVY)

Just a question for people in the trade with the Navy element, do you still designated to a "home port" even though this job is mostly posted in Ottawa or Kingston (or maybe that term is just some sort of a cliche for wherever you are posted)? The way I see it as a civilian is that after Naval Environmental Training, it's farewell CFB dockyards unless they send you to a ship which is unlikely for new guys according to previous posts here. I read a post here is that a Navy guy they know that they've already retired and never worked on a ship.

I have read a post here a while back before realizing the CAF will offer me the Navy element, is that CFB Borden is also doing Naval Environmental Training, is that true? Not that it matters, but the way I see it OS's should have some sort of a dockyard exposure as part of the training. I don't know maybe CAF are doing some avante-garde training, no need to go to a dockyard or airbase to do your environmental training.
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Re: Comm Research
« Reply #281 on: March 12, 2017, 01:07:58 »
From the guys I've met that were RCN Comm Rsch, they didn't do NET unless they were going to a ship posting, which is a handful of positions and hard to get.

You're going to be RCN in uniform only, which is why so many Comm Rsch folks apply for element change when they can, because your DEU colour has no bearing on what postings you get.

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Re: Comm Research
« Reply #282 on: March 12, 2017, 05:25:56 »
From the guys I've met that were RCN Comm Rsch, they didn't do NET unless they were going to a ship posting, which is a handful of positions and hard to get.
I see. This is new information to me, to be honest. Oh well...
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You're going to be RCN in uniform only, which is why so many Comm Rsch folks apply for element change when they can, because your DEU colour has no bearing on what postings you get.
Is there a reason why they opt for an element change? For the time being, I have no plans for an element change unless it will be a disadvantage for my Comm Rsch career.
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Re: Comm Research
« Reply #283 on: March 12, 2017, 10:03:03 »
Dress of the day for RCAF and CA is CADPAT. If you're RCN, its NCDs unless you're at a field unit. CADPAT is like camo pyjamas. A lot of the guys didn't like wearing the RCN DEU either, for whatever reason.

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Re: Comm Research
« Reply #284 on: March 12, 2017, 10:14:13 »
Is there a reason why they opt for an element change? For the time being, I have no plans for an element change unless it will be a disadvantage for my Comm Rsch career.

Changing your Element (Uniform) will have NO AFFECT here.  You have one Career Manager; who covers all Elements.

Only way to change Career Managers is to change Trades.   [:D
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Re: Comm Research
« Reply #285 on: March 14, 2017, 03:02:29 »
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Thanks for the reply guys. Hope to meet you both one day.
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Re: Comm Research
« Reply #286 on: March 14, 2017, 15:23:19 »
PuckChaser is correct on the NET. However you will do BMQ-A (formerly known as BMQ-L) prior to completing your DP1. And yes even the RCN and RCAF Comm Rsch have to complete it.
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Re: Comm Research
« Reply #287 on: March 30, 2017, 14:12:07 »
A few more piece of info, the website is wrong about the training time, according to CFFSE website the QL3 is ~78 training days, so close to 4 months.

After the QL3(DP1 or whatever it's called nowadays) you are likely to get posted to Ottawa, you can also request to stay in Kingston to be posted to the regiment.

The navy uniform is IMO more comfortable than the CADPAD, especially if all you do is sit at a desk doing computer related work, think of it as business attire. Also massive perk, you can grow a beard !!

There are no postings to ships anymore as that was for the Destroyers (last one was decommissioned 2 weeks ago), but Comm Rsch still go on ships for deployments.
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Re: Comm Research
« Reply #288 on: May 26, 2017, 16:13:34 »
So I've accepted my OT offer to go Comm Rsch, going on BTL July 13th.  Just wondering what will happen next.  I am assuming I will stay at my current base until I do my phase 1, then back home until I get my clearance, back for part 2, then posting to Letrim or 21EW.

Or will I go to Kingston straight away and have to wait/OJE/OJT before and between parts 1 and 2?

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Re: Comm Research
« Reply #289 on: May 26, 2017, 20:15:29 »
I know of one guy who CTd/OTd and stayed where he was until his 3s, and another one who went to Kingston and then was APd back to his geo location until clearance and course loading message.

If you can find an OJE place at the base/wing/etc you are posted to now, that might make it easier to stay in place until you're course-loaded.  My advice, from having done an OT and having been a sponsor for OTs and people who are PATs, find a place you can be gainfully employed and make life easier for whoever your BTL Co-ordinator will be.  If you're first contact with the BTL Co-ord includes "unit/sub-unit X has indicated I could be gainfully employed there, here is MCpl/Sgt So-and-so as the POC", my experience is this makes life a lot smoother and easier.
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Re: Comm Research
« Reply #290 on: May 27, 2017, 18:03:29 »
Thanks for the reply.  OJE might be tricky, I'm in Edmonton, not too much EW in this neck of the woods.  What about an ILP?

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Re: Comm Research
« Reply #291 on: May 27, 2017, 18:19:06 »
If you already have Secret or TS, the remainder of your clearance won't take long. You'll also have to speak to your new CoC and find out what's available for you, all the off the street rubberheads staged out of Kingston and did anything from OJT at EW to port security on the coasts.

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Re: Comm Research
« Reply #292 on: May 28, 2017, 10:12:50 »
Thanks for the reply.  OJE might be tricky, I'm in Edmonton, not too much EW in this neck of the woods.  What about an ILP?
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You won't be trade qual'd at all so OJE doesn't have to be so narrow.  You're basically looking for anything that will keep you gainfully employed - the guy I know who is waiting for clearance and course dates is at a Wing RTF (Readiness Trg Flight...IBTS stuff).  This keeps him home with his wife and means he isn't paying R & Q and doing Kingston PAT *stuff*.

If you find something that your BTL Co-ord can tell the BTL Manager "mbr is gainfully employed", it might help you avoid being pre-positioned to Kingston like Puckchaser mentions above and avoid all the stupid crap that comes along with that type of stuff. 

Anything that is IT related is good OJE.  There's got to be a Sig Sqn in Edmonton.
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Re: Comm Research
« Reply #293 on: May 28, 2017, 15:02:05 »
Do you want to go to 21 EW once you are qualified? If so ask about getting on a Bison course. I am pretty sure we (LdSH (RC), where I am pretty sure you are posted) will be running one shortly. Recce needs to qualify new drivers and the maintainers will need to qualify the new guys that are getting posted in this summer.

Learning to drive an armoured vehicle while posted to an armoured unit would give you a leg up on your course mates once posted to 21 EW.

Plus the Regiment is super short of dudes. If you asked to stay around and get experience as a Bison driver while waiting to be course loaded I am sure the the Regiment would be happy to accommodate you.

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Re: Comm Research
« Reply #294 on: June 03, 2017, 14:35:32 »
Hello guys I'm back!

I got my posting message on Friday and it says I'm heading to CFSCE Kingston. Does that mean I will be on course? Me thinks it's fast considering you need a security clearance to get into the course. But anyway, that's where I'm headed the day after grad. It's hard to complain about that. lol

Assuming that I would be able to finish the course at CFSCE, do I have the option of choosing for my posting preference? Last question, how come one guy in my platoon got 00120-02 as his MOSID while the rest of Comm Rsch guys are just 01. Does education is a factor in this and is he going to get preferential treatment and get promoted faster? Not a big deal for myself, it's just nobody here knows why.
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Re: Comm Research
« Reply #295 on: June 03, 2017, 16:40:09 »
pretty sure all the new guys are 02, once you're 5s qualified you become 01. So whoever the clerk that gave new guys 01 made a mistake.

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Re: Comm Research
« Reply #296 on: June 03, 2017, 20:59:08 »
The -02 part means "Junior".  It means you don't get spec pay yet even as a Cpl.  That will change to -01 once you get quald QL5.  If it were me and I was not QL5 quald and had 00120-01 down for my MOSID, I'd be asking my supervisor to get an OR appointment/see the OR myself if I was permitted to do that and verify that I am NOT receiving spec pay.  Why?  Sooner or later the system WILL recover it.

You'll notice that not all MOSIDS use the -01 and -02 the same way.  In my trade (AES Op) like Comm Rsch, the -02 is used to denote *Junior* and -01 means QL5 qual.  However, other trades like AC Op and Med Tech use -02 etc to denote sub-occs/quals such as PAR Controller, PA so there is a possibility for clerks to make an honest mistake.

http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/caf-community-pay/specialist-pay-reg-force-ncm-mosids.page
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Re: Comm Research
« Reply #297 on: June 04, 2017, 01:17:19 »
You can put down posting preferences, doesn't mean you'll get what you want. You may not be going on course right away, it's likely PAT platoon. You'll have to clear in there and talk to SMP clerk to start your clearance upgrade. The VOT message does not automatically start it. If you have one, I highly recommend you bring a copy of your last clearance form, and start collecting dates for work/residences going back 10 years. It'll save you time filling out paperwork.

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Re: Comm Research
« Reply #298 on: June 04, 2017, 13:30:10 »
pretty sure all the new guys are 02, once you're 5s qualified you become 01. So whoever the clerk that gave new guys 01 made a mistake.
The -02 part means "Junior".  It means you don't get spec pay yet even as a Cpl.  That will change to -01 once you get quald QL5.  If it were me and I was not QL5 quald and had 00120-01 down for my MOSID, I'd be asking my supervisor to get an OR appointment/see the OR myself if I was permitted to do that and verify that I am NOT receiving spec pay.  Why?  Sooner or later the system WILL recover it.

You'll notice that not all MOSIDS use the -01 and -02 the same way.  In my trade (AES Op) like Comm Rsch, the -02 is used to denote *Junior* and -01 means QL5 qual.  However, other trades like AC Op and Med Tech use -02 etc to denote sub-occs/quals such as PAR Controller, PA so there is a possibility for clerks to make an honest mistake.

http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/caf-community-pay/specialist-pay-reg-force-ncm-mosids.page
I see. Thanks. I will put that on the course senior report for Monday to tell the clerk about this. There's only one Comm Rsch candidate in my platoon that has the 02 designation while the rest of us are on 01 and also says Junior.
You can put down posting preferences, doesn't mean you'll get what you want. You may not be going on course right away, it's likely PAT platoon. You'll have to clear in there and talk to SMP clerk to start your clearance upgrade. The VOT message does not automatically start it. If you have one, I highly recommend you bring a copy of your last clearance form, and start collecting dates for work/residences going back 10 years. It'll save you time filling out paperwork.
I kinda want Ottawa although Kingston is not bad either. So I have to do another security clearance application again when I get to CFSCE aside from what we did here during Week 3 (I believe)? They didn't provide us a copy for that though.

Thanks for the tips guys! Now wish me luck for Farnham! haha
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Re: Comm Research
« Reply #299 on: June 05, 2017, 15:13:22 »
There's only one Comm Rsch candidate in my platoon that has the 02 designation while the rest of us are on 01 and also says Junior.

Which is why its important to verify you aren't getting spec by talking to the OR.  If they give it to you for a year, they'll want it back quicker once the error is discovered.   :2c:
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