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More on the 1st CVF's launching ceremony on the previous page:

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Jul. 4, 2014 - 02:00PM   |   By AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE

LONDON — Queen Elizabeth II smashed a bottle of whisky against Britain's biggest warship on Friday as she gave her name to the new aircraft carrier at a ceremony in Scotland.

The 65,000-tonne HMS Queen Elizabeth is one of two carriers being built at a cost of £6.2 billion ($10.6 billion, 7.8 billion euros) to overhaul Britain's naval capabilities.

But the pomp of the ceremony at Rosyth Dockyard came despite serious doubts about the carrier, which will not be able to operate its US-built jets until 2020.

The 88-year-old monarch, attending the naming ceremony with her husband Prince Philip, said Britain's future flagship "marks a new phase in our naval history".

"Wherever this ship may serve, whatever tasks may be asked of her, let all those who serve on her know that on this day she was blessed with the prayers of us all for her success and her safe return to calm waters," she said.

"I name this ship Queen Elizabeth. May God bless her and all who sail in her."

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2nd British CVF won't be sold, says British Prime Minister
« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2014, 11:29:38 »
Good. The future HMS Prince of Wales will not be sold.

However, isn't 3 of a type the optimal number to always keep at least a warship on station? (one on station, one on overhaul, one on workups?)

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Aircraft carrier won't be sold off

The Royal Navy's second new aircraft carrier, the Prince of Wales, is to be brought into service, rather than sold off or mothballed, Prime Minister David Cameron has announced.

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Mr Cameron said at a press conference at the conclusion of the two-day Nato summit in south Wales: "This will ensure that we will always have one carrier available, 100% of the time.

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Re: New RN CVFs/ Queen Elizabeth class carriers taking shape (updates)
« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2015, 19:59:31 »
Only a matter of time before the first aircraft land on her...

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26 August 2015

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The crew of HMS Queen Elizabeth flashed up the new carrier’s ‘invisible eyes’ as part of ongoing preparations to ready the leviathan for sea next year.
The S1850M long range radar – the same as those fitted to Type 45 destroyers – is now compiling the air picture of traffic over the central belt of Scotland and beyond.



The Long Range Radar can be seen atop the forward island during Queen Elizabeth's move in the basin at Rosyth

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Re: New RN CVFs/ Queen Elizabeth class carriers taking shape (updates)
« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2016, 15:57:28 »
Slowly, but surely, the ship is turned over to her crew:

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First Compartments of HMS Queen Elizabeth Aircraft Carrier Handed Over to Royal Navy Crew
 
The Aircrft Carrier Alliance has successfully signed over the first compartments of HMS QUEEN ELIZABETH to her crew, over a year ahead of when the ship is due to be delivered to the Royal Navy. The six large compartments are the first sections of the ship the crew has taken ownership of and marks an important step towards delivering the nation's flagship.

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Merlin helos flying from CVF Queen Elizabeth in March 2017
« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2016, 14:32:59 »
An update on the CVFs' air complements:

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Merlin Helicopters To Fly From Queen Elizabeth in March 2017
Tom Kington, Defense News 12:55 p.m. EDT July 12, 2016

The Royal Navy’s Merlin helicopters are to start flying from the decks of the UK’s new aircraft carrier by March 2017, a senior official said at the Farnborough air show Tuesday.

The Queen Elizabeth is due to start sea trials next year before its first deployment in 2021, followed by its sister ship, the Prince of Wales.


The Merlins will start “low risk, simple” flights from the Queen Elizabeth next March, followed by first-class flight trials in early 2018, said Captain Kieran O’Brien, the Merlin team leader for the British Ministry of Defence's Defence Equipment and Support procurement arm.

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Re: New RN CVFs/ Queen Elizabeth class carriers taking shape (updates)
« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2016, 13:27:08 »
Huh?! A precursor to making the CVFs oversize LHAs without well decks?

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British Naval Commander Wants US Marine Aviation on Aircraft Carrier
By: Andrew Chuter, September 29, 2016

ROSYTH, Scotland — The commander of HMS Queen Elizabeth, Britain’s new aircraft carrier, would like to see US Marine Corps F-35Bs and V-22s embark for up to nine months at a time once the warship becomes operational.

“We’ll certainly see some footprint aboard the ship. The big question is do they deploy with us much longer term in the future, maybe for six, seven, eight, nine months from when we deploy. That’s what I would love to see,” Capt. Jerry Kyd said.

Confirmation that the Royal Navy’s 70,000-ton aircraft carrier force would embark US Marine Corps (USMC) F-35Bs came during a meeting between UK Defence Secretary Michael Fallon and his US counterpart, Ash Carter, in London at the start of September.

Fallon said that eventually British aircraft could be deployed on US aircraft carriers.

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Re: New RN CVFs/ Queen Elizabeth class carriers taking shape (updates)
« Reply #31 on: September 29, 2016, 13:49:47 »
Huh?! A precursor to making the CVFs oversize LHAs without well decks?

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The big question is do they deploy with us much longer term in the future, maybe for six, seven, eight, nine months


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Re: New RN CVFs/ Queen Elizabeth class carriers taking shape (updates)
« Reply #32 on: September 29, 2016, 14:20:37 »
Huh?! A precursor to making the CVFs oversize LHAs without well decks?

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What is based on them is at the discretion of the Crown.  It could be any combination of capabilities.

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Re: New RN CVFs/ Queen Elizabeth class carriers taking shape (updates)
« Reply #33 on: December 28, 2016, 16:03:58 »
Excerpts from UK Defence Journal.

BTW UK gov officially dumped the 'no east of Suez' doctrine about six weeks ago.


British supercarrier HMS Queen Elizabeth to deploy to the Pacific


December 28, 2016


It has emerged that the UK plans to sail HMS Queen Elizabeth to the Pacific in 2021 amid concerns regarding freedom of navigation in the region.

HMS Queen Elizabeth will sail to the Pacific on her maiden deployment in 2021 according to an ambassador.

Sir Kim Darroch, Britain’s ambassador to the US said at a think-tank event in Washington:

“As we bring our two new aircraft carriers on-stream in 2020, and as we renew and update our defence forces, they will be seen in the Pacific.

And we absolutely share the objective of this US administration, and the next one, to protect freedom of navigation and to keep sea routes and air routes open.”

Currently in the final stages of completion, HMS Queen Elizabeth is due to go sea for contractor trials in March. She’ll return to the Forth once those are done for a final period of fitting out and testing.

In addition to the joint force of Royal Air Force and Royal Navy F-35Bs and their pilots, the air wing is expected to be composed of a ‘Maritime Force Protection’ package of nine anti-submarine Merlin HM2 and four or five Merlin for airborne early warning; alternatively a ‘Littoral Manoeuvre’ package could include a mix of RAF Chinooks, Army Apaches, Merlin HC4 and Wildcat HM2. We understand that vessel would still carry at least one F-35 flight aboard in such circumstances to offer air defence as well as support to the helicopter assault activities.

The Crowsnest AEW&C aircraft will come from a number of the embarked Merlins (any of which can be fitted with the sensor package), the number being determined by requirements.

We understand that the composition of the CVW is a balance between ship capacity and squadron availability. Squadrons assigned or ‘programmed’ to sail on deployment will mostly in the case of the aircraft carrier be unique to it, for example the airborne early warning helicopters that have no other purpose but to serve the carrier force.

In addition, we have also been told that we will shortly see decisions like this for the F-35B and maybe a utility helicopter (or tilt-rotor in future) type.

The vessels are capable of deploying a variety of aircraft in large numbers, up to a maximum in the upper fifties in surge conditions.

The expectation that the vessels will sail with around 24 F-35Bs is, according to an insider source we spoke to, because “It is not that they can’t do land based operations, just that there is a need to get the return on investment for the well found forward deployed bases that these aircraft carriers that form the centre of the CSG are” and that “the capacity of the F-35B force in the near years in particular is very limited and it is unwise to do other deployments”.

The impression is that they’re going all out to get as many on the deck as possible and that the earlier figure of 12 was “RAF ambition to maintain flexibility to conduct land based operations” and not the policy position that is developing.

The Queen Elizabeth class mark a change from expressing carrier power in terms of number of aircraft carried, to the number of sortie’s that can be generated from the deck. The class are not the largest class of carrier in the world but they are most likely the smallest and least expensive carrier the Royal Navy could build which still have the advantages that large carriers offer.

HMS Queen Elizabeth is due to start sea trials in March, followed by sister ship HMS Prince of Wales in the coming years.


Whole article via link, here  -  https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/british-supercarrier-hms-queen-elizabeth-deploy-pacific/?utm_source=TW&utm_medium=Twitter&utm_campaign=social

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Re: New RN CVFs/ Queen Elizabeth class carriers taking shape (updates)
« Reply #34 on: December 28, 2016, 16:21:47 »
One does love five-year plans ;)--wonder if any USMC F-35Bs might also be aboard.
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Re: New RN CVFs/ Queen Elizabeth class carriers taking shape (updates)
« Reply #35 on: December 28, 2016, 16:27:43 »
Yes.

The final UK-USA paperwork was signed by both SECDEFs a few weeks ago.

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Re: New RN CVFs/ Queen Elizabeth class carriers taking shape (updates)
« Reply #36 on: December 28, 2016, 16:41:40 »
OTR1: Good--squadron of 12 Fleet Air Arm/RAF F-35Bs alone would be pretty thin gruel.  Story on agreement:

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Defence Secretary Michael Fallon has confirmed that the US Marine Corps will be flying F-35Bs from HMS Queen Elizabeth on the aircraft's carrier's maiden operational deployment.

He said: “I can welcome the commitment of the United States to deploying F-35s on the first operational deployment of Queen Elizabeth – the HMS Queen Elizabeth in 2021. And in the fullness of time, we expect our F-35s to be welcome on the American carriers.”

Fallon confirmed the deployment while giving a joint press conference on Wednesday at London's Lancaster House with US Defence Secretary Ash Carter.

"We value very much having such a partner in the United Kingdom because that's a commitment the United States shares as well, one that both of our countries, in fact, has stood for together and stood for together 75 years ago this month," said Secretary Carter, "when President Roosevelt and Prime Minister Churchill issued the Atlantic Charter."..

The Ministry of Defence would not comment on the size of the USMC contingent, or how many aircraft would deploy aboard QE, though it could confirm that a mixture of Royal Air Force and Royal Navy Fleet Air Arm aircraft and personnel would be deployed alongside the US Marines aboard the British carrier.

HMS Queen Elizabeth is capable of carrying up to 36 F-35s, though current plans are for the air wing to comprise just 12 of the fast jets...

Deck landing trials aboard QE with the F-35B are pencilled in for 2018, with the RAF F-35B unit, 617 Squadron, scheduled to reach initial operating capability by the year 2019. Alongside 617 Sqn will be 809 Naval Air Squadron, providing the Fleet Air Arm's contribution to the UK F-35 fleet. The RAF will also operate the F-35 Operational Conversion Unit.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/09/09/usmc_will_fly_f35s_on_hms_queen_elizabeth_first_op_deployment/

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As the Daily Mail call her, "Big Lizzie" has slipped to sea on her maiden voyage.  Fair winds, my Queen.   :salute:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4640214/HMS-Queen-Elizabeth-maiden-voyage.html

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Such a beautiful Ship. Even the racks are pretty glorious by standards I've seen on a lot of ships.

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The CO suite is pretty far aft, no running to the bridge from there, I suppose it's his admin office and used by him when in harbour?

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Maybe Canadian F-35's will operate from the carrier

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Maybe Canadian F-35's will operate from the carrier

I don't think we would get the correct model to do so, I suspect we have been looking at the A model and the carrier would carry the C and/or B version.

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Maybe Canadian F-35's will operate from the carrier

Once Canada buys the obsolete carrier from the RN and renames it HMCS Olivia Chow, circa 2070;  we should have our 5 x F-35s in service for about 18 months by then.    :nod:
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I don't think we would get the correct model to do so, I suspect we have been looking at the A model and the carrier would carry the C and/or B version.

The carrier was originally planned to have the B version.  Then to save money the switched to the C version.  Then they realized that it wouldn't in fact save money, and would cost more, and so they switched back to the B model.

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As the Daily Mail call her, "Big Lizzie" has slipped to sea on her maiden voyage.  Fair winds, my Queen.   :salute:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4640214/HMS-Queen-Elizabeth-maiden-voyage.html

Note the constant harping about the use of Windows on the ship, and potential security risks. I'd find it pretty funny if they have an emulator or fake up displays to "show" Windows just to misdirect hackers......
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Re: New RN CVFs/ Queen Elizabeth class carriers taking shape (updates)
« Reply #45 on: August 18, 2018, 18:53:25 »
HMS Queen Elizabeth off to US east coast to embark two USMC F-35Bs (note those Russian subs, lots of photos at link):

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HMS Queen Elizabeth: Royal Navy's £3bn aircraft carrier prepares to set sail for the US with protection against 'eye watering' threat from Russia

The Royal Navy's £3 billion aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth, dubbed 'Big Lizzie', is to set sail for the US where it will land fighter jets on its flight deck for the first time.

The landmark moment will come eight years since a fast jet last flew from a British aircraft carrier.

The 65,000-tonne carrier is expected to leave Portsmouth Naval Base at about 6pm on Saturday.

During its trip to North America, the warship will embark two US F-35B test aircraft based at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Maryland, which are expected to carry out 500 landings and take-offs during the carrier's 11 weeks at sea.

Ahead of the crucial test run, navy chiefs pledged to protect the boat from the "eye-watering" threat of Russian submarines...


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/royal-navys-3bn-aircraft-carrier-big-lizzie-prepares-to-set-sail-for-the-us-a3914596.html

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Re: New RN CVFs/ Queen Elizabeth class carriers taking shape (updates)
« Reply #46 on: September 19, 2018, 15:13:25 »
Excerpt from a post at Thin Pinstriped Line on HMS Queen Elizabeth:
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In with the New, Farewell to the Old - Carrier Trials and Seaking Retirement
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 More widely the RN has benefitted from an enormously close relationship and mutually beneficial with the US Navy over the regeneration of carrier capability. Since the withdrawal of Harrier GR9 in 2010, the US has gone out of its way to ensure that RN pilots were able to get places in F18 cockpits, helping build a large cadre of Fleet Air Arm pilots who fly the F18 from US carriers, at sea, as exchange officers (e.g. fully integrated into the ship and squadron and operating essentially as a US pilot, albeit with a nicer accent!).

This has helped retain fixed wing aviation experience in the FAA, and meant it was much easier to begin the transition onto the F35 programme, which will be a truly joint RAF/RN force. More widely though, the US also provided access for ground crew to work on USN Carriers deploying on operations to help relearn the art of working on a ‘big deck’. It is 40 years since the RN operated a large carrier, and 8 since it last took fixed wing aircraft to sea, and the skills needed to work on a huge flight deck are easily perishable.

For some years now there have been small detachments of RN personnel (usually 7-10 strong) deploying on US carriers around the globe as part of wider operations to ensure they are able to work safely on big flight decks. For example, Humphrey was able to spend time at sea on a US CVN in the Middle East, and was surprised and delighted to meet RN crew at all ranks and rates on the flight deck and elsewhere, playing a truly integrated part in the life of the ship.

This level of trust and access is not easily granted by the US Navy, who know that a carrier flight deck is arguably the most dangerous place in the world to work. They would not let a foreign nation put their personnel to sea in any way that could threaten the safety of their ships, aircraft and people. It is another small sign of the intimate trust that exists between our two nations.

More widely, the First Sea Lord tweeted this week about his visit to the US Naval War College in Rhode Island. There were images of him meeting the UK exchange staff who are fully embedded into the US system, where they play a key role in supporting US and UK operations. This is another timely reminder of the extraordinary depths of integration that exist between the two nations. At anyone time there are well over 500 UK military personnel at up to 2* level on exchanges in the US system, usually with US personnel occupying billets back here too.

 The level of personnel exchanges is probably the highest between any two nations anywhere on the planet. It is a reflection that the US place real value in the capability and credibility of UK personnel, and their willingness to let them work as peers and partners in some very complex and sensitive areas. It is this sort of co-operation that helps remind us that for all the talk about the UK ‘not mattering’ to the US, no other nation enjoys anywhere near the same level of access or trust when it comes to exchanges and joint work.

This is also not a one way street. Part of the reason why the US is so supportive of the UK to recover Carrier Strike is the recognition that the UK can in turn provide a huge amount of support to the US system. For example when QUEEN ELIZABETH deploys, she will likely do so on a regular basis with a USMC F35 squadron embarked, or potentially other US assets too [emphasis added].

There is a major difference between ‘cross decking’ when a plane lands and departs shortly afterwards, and long term sustained operations from another nations carrier. To put a USMC squadron onto the QE and then operate it as an integrated part of the airwing is an astonishing sign of just how close the UK and US systems are – no other nation on the planet does this.

While there are odd short term embarkations of aircraft – for instance the French occasionally use a US CVN for training when their carrier is in refit, no other countries are able to embark each others aircraft on a carrier designed from the outset for truly joint operations.

Humphrey has heard consistent feedback from credible sources that the US Navy has closely watched how the UK has brought the CVF project to life, and that they are extremely impressed (and candidly rather jealous in places) of the capabilities of the platform. The QUEEN ELIZABETH class is the closest thing to a peer partner that the US Navy will ever see for its own carrier force, and reportedly the US see them as an extension of their own carrier fleet to the extent that Humphrey has occasionally heard them only half-jokingly referred to as the 12th and 13th US Navy carriers...
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Re: New RN CVFs/ Queen Elizabeth class carriers taking shape (updates)
« Reply #47 on: September 19, 2018, 23:44:29 »
Maybe Canadian F-35's will operate from the carrier

Funny enough, Canada used to finance the RN with the agreement that they would provide naval protection on both coasts. It would be an interesting way of doing things to have a squadron of F35B's that are leased by Canada and other nations that operate the F35, that would operate off the carrier, the lease and pilots/crews would rotate on a 2 year basis or so between nations.

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Re: New RN CVFs/ Queen Elizabeth class carriers taking shape (updates)
« Reply #48 on: September 21, 2018, 08:42:35 »
It's not funny at all, Colin, it's actually factually incorrect.

There never was time where Canada entered into a deal with the UK for the RN to provide naval protection of our coasts.

When the various Dominions were created by the UK, including Canada, defence, foreign affairs and the power to make treaties remained an Imperial responsibility. Thus, the RN provided the naval defence of the whole Empire without any need for either the agreement of the Dominion at issue or any financial contribution of money to fund such defence.

It remained so until the adoption of the Statute of Westminster that finally recognized the Dominions as independent nations wit full international power over their affairs and defence.

In the late 19th century in Canada, however, the government - even without power over naval affairs - was grossly unsatisfied with the coast defence provided by the RN. In particular, the Canadian government thought that the RN was remiss in not confronting the American "pirate" fishermen fishing in Canadian waters illegal. This led to the creation of the Canadian Fisheries service - a coastal navy in all but name, with heavily armed with patrol vessels (such as CGS Canada) that were light cruisers in all but name also*.

The issue of coastal defence, however, became an issue for all Dominions in time, especially when the RN reduced coastal defence as it suffered the financial pressure of an arms race of its own making: paying for Dreadnaughts to keep up with the French, Italian and German. This led to the 1909 Imperial Conference on Defence, where the UK asked, for the first time, the Dominions to financially contribute - but not to their own naval defence but to the Imperial one by financing battleships and battlecruisers. Canada refused and elected to "contribute" financially by creating it's own Navy, dedicated to the defence of Canada's coasts.

The rest, as they say, is history.

Finally, as regards Canadian F-35's serving on the RN current flagship: It's not even on the radar, and for a very simple reason - the F-35's on the QUEEN ELIZABETH are the "B" version, the STOVL type, and we don't have any plans of acquiring such planes. Besides, would that not require a large increase in the number of F-35's we would have to acquire, not to mention require Trudeau junior to admit error and buy F-35's.   ;)


* PS: That is why, BTW, the Canadian Fisheries Service remained an armed service that was para-military in organization until it was absorbed into the Fisheries and Oceans department and their forced merger into a purely "merchant" organization created such frustration in the then serving fisheries officers.

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Re: New RN CVFs/ Queen Elizabeth class carriers taking shape (updates)
« Reply #49 on: September 21, 2018, 13:23:55 »
Thanks for the history, I was never entirely clear on how it played out, but I do know the drawdown of RN resources here triggered the birth of the British Columbia Submarine Service  8)

As for the F35, I was suggesting a Commonwealth/NATO buy to be able to fly off these ships. The operators and maintainers would cycle through the group of nations involved. Either the aircraft wears a NATO livery or it changes as per operator.