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Re: NCM SEP - Naval Program Experiences
« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2009, 20:31:43 »
You MAY be entitled to a recruiting bonus. They are paid on completion of BMQ. If you have the education you get 10k if you have military skills in that trade you get 10k. If you have both you get 20k. 10k is paid on completion of BMQ and 10k on your one year mark.

What we do is we take all your diplomas and transcripts and send them to the Occupation Manager. They will decide what you get in the way of promotion and pay incentives. USUALLY if you come in with the same education that you would get if you went NCMSEP you would be enrolled as an Ordinary Seaman. After BMQ you NORMALLY get promoted to Leading Seaman and do trades training and environmental training. The CF will NOT reimburse your education. The 10k and promotion is to entice you to join. Once you are Tech qualified you will receive tech pay which is about $500 a month more that base pay. 

Note the key words. It all depends on the Occupation Manager and what he decides.
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Re: NCM SEP - Naval Program Experiences
« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2009, 21:32:57 »
Great thanks for the info FDO. I'll put in my application and hopefully the Occupation Manager is nice to me.

Thanks.

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Re: NCM SEP - Naval Program Experiences
« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2010, 11:39:12 »
I currently have a Bachelor of Arts degree as well as an Electronic Engineering Technician diploma from NSCC.  Does anyone know in which trades I might qualify for a promotion after BMQ?  I want to join the military, but to be honest, having to start out as a private at roughly $30000/year is not much of an incentive.  I know the military isn't all about the money, and money is not the main reason I want to join, but my wife and I will be having a baby soon and I have to be realistic about this. 
   Any suggestions anyone?

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Re: NCM SEP - Naval Program Experiences
« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2010, 11:46:26 »
I guess my previous post does not really belong in this topic.  I will create a new one. 

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Few questions on the NCM-SEP program
« Reply #29 on: April 01, 2010, 20:02:01 »
Hi, posting this to hopefully get some information.  Thanks to anyone who replies!!

I am interested in applying to Algonquin College in Ottawa, for the Geomatics Technician program.  I would prefer not to do the basic training this summer but still start school in September.  Is that possible?  If so when should I apply and if I do apply now, is there a chance I do go to basic training this summer?  If so, when is the latest I could apply and still attend school in September.  Also, I have smoked pot recently and was wondering what the drug testing is like and when it does occur.  I have stopped smoking but it has only been a week.  Any information on this would be great and thanks again for any replies.

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Re: Few questions on the NCM-SEP program
« Reply #30 on: April 02, 2010, 00:03:30 »
I REALLY hope this is a misguided April Fool's joke ...

For the record, I'm PRETTY sure there IS no NCM SEP for Geo Tech, and if you smoke pot a week before applying to the Forces (or even a month before) we're going to make you go away and come back to apply later (I can't remember if it's six months or a year).
Since I've been on the new medication, it's become MUCH easier to ignore the Stupid people.

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Re: Few questions on the NCM-SEP program
« Reply #31 on: April 02, 2010, 00:47:09 »
Wait, what? You tell here in public that you smoked a blunt and wondering if you will get caught?

You're messed-up, man. Be serious about joining and stop taking that thing.

And good luck for your process... If it ain't a joke like the one above said it could be
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Re: Few questions on the NCM-SEP program
« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2010, 19:12:07 »
Alright, first of all, yes the geomatics program is subsidized as I have already spoken with a recruiter.  About the pot, I didn't come here to be lectured on it.  I guess neither of the two posters read that I have stopped.  I am sure many members have smoked it at some point before they were enlisted.  I also never stated I would continue smoking.  I just want to know when the test is so I can apply soon and not fail the test. 

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Re: Few questions on the NCM-SEP program
« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2010, 19:52:12 »
OK Nick, I'm going to say this as politely as I can ...

I AM a Recruiter. In fact, I am the Recruiter that keeps the paperwork up to date for all of the OTHER recruiters at CFRC Toronto.

I JUST finished updating the approved NCM-SEP course list last week, based on the March 2010 NCM SEP occupations list produced by CFRG (For anyone else who wants to know, Algonquin College and Conestoga have been added as approved programs for LCIS and ATIS) and if I were smarter I'd figure out how to attach it to this post ... but I'm not, so I can't. In any case ...

GEOMATICS TECHNICIAN does NOT have an approved NCM-SEP program. Maybe you've gotten the name of the trade wrong, maybe you've got the wrong program, maybe you've been talking to someone that wasn't actually a trained Recruiter or misunderstood something that's been told to you, but I guarantee we are not sending you to college if you join the CF as a Geo Tech.

As for your other rant, yes, I did read that you had stopped. I ALSO read where you said you smoked it RECENTLY. I did not lecture you about it in any way, I gave you the answer to your question ... if you come in, you tell us you smoked pot "recently" ... we're going to send you away for a set period of time.

You could lie and say you haven't, but we're going to find out, THEN you'll have a record for lying on your application to the CF.

Now, HERE's your lecture ... in the future, avoid bitching at the people trying to HELP you, or you won't GET any help after that ...

Since I've been on the new medication, it's become MUCH easier to ignore the Stupid people.

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Re: Few questions on the NCM-SEP program
« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2010, 20:19:28 »
Ok, I may have been wrong however I do have a couple of links that I would like clarification on regarding this program.

http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/pub/cfp-bpf/9-07/cfacpgtp-fccapcpt-eng.asp

http://www.algonquincollege.com/sat/cf/

If these are wrong, could you please let me know which programs they do offer at algonquin college?

Thanks for any info.


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Re: Few questions on the NCM-SEP program
« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2010, 20:43:19 »
yes the first one is, with a 5 year contract however.  The second one is current from the college itself.

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Re: Few questions on the NCM-SEP program
« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2010, 08:53:13 »
I believe those programs are for people who remuster to Geo Tech, not for people enrolling.

From Forces.ca:

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Applicants to the GEO TECH occupation must have completed Qualification Level 4 (or equivalent) in another military occupation or all apprenticeship requirements in a civilian trade.
From your first link:

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the CF can increase advanced training for personnel already in the system.

« Last Edit: April 05, 2010, 08:57:43 by PMedMoe »
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Re: Few questions on the NCM-SEP program
« Reply #38 on: April 05, 2010, 17:31:02 »
On a related tangent to the original post, this is mainly directed to Otis, or anyone else in the know.  I'm curious about the details behind "...or all apprenticeship requirements in a civilian trade."

If an applicant already is a civilian geomatics specialist, does that statement mean he could qualify for direct entry to GEO TECH? 

In this instance  I'd assume,  probably naively, that beyond BMQ there is more army training eventually leading to geomatics training that would focus on context within the CF, on-the-job at the unit level.   Algonquin's geomatics program seems to cover CF-specific content that you could not get elsewhere, so I'm curious...
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Re: Few questions on the NCM-SEP program
« Reply #39 on: April 05, 2010, 19:41:24 »
ah ok my bad, I apologize, thanks for clarifying that up!

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Re: Few questions on the NCM-SEP program
« Reply #40 on: April 05, 2010, 20:45:52 »
Would you mind posting which programs are available at Algonquin College?

If so, thank you very much.

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Re: Few questions on the NCM-SEP program
« Reply #41 on: April 06, 2010, 10:06:44 »
Would you mind posting which programs are available at Algonquin College?

If so, thank you very much.
Otis already did, just a little bit further up the page. Attention to detail is also highly prized within Her Majesty's Canadian Armed Forces.

I JUST finished updating the approved NCM-SEP course list last week, based on the March 2010 NCM SEP occupations list produced by CFRG (For anyone else who wants to know, Algonquin College and Conestoga have been added as approved programs for LCIS and ATIS) and if I were smarter I'd figure out how to attach it to this post ... but I'm not, so I can't. In any case ...
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Re: Few questions on the NCM-SEP program
« Reply #42 on: April 06, 2010, 11:06:58 »
Otis already did, just a little bit further up the page. Attention to detail is also highly prized within Her Majesty's Canadian Armed Forces.

I don't think that's what he asked.  He asked which NCM-SEP programs were available at Algonquin.

The answer to that would be ATIS Tech, LCIS Tech, EO Tech, NE Tech, NW Tech, Cook, Dental Assistant and Med Tech.

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Re: Few questions on the NCM-SEP program
« Reply #43 on: April 06, 2010, 11:09:06 »
Thanks, I appreciate it.

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Re: Few questions on the NCM-SEP program
« Reply #44 on: April 06, 2010, 11:24:38 »
No problem.  Bear in mind that list is from the 2009/2010 program, so there might be a change in the new FY.  Unlikely, but possible.  The new list isn't published on the DWAN yet.

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Re: Few questions on the NCM-SEP program
« Reply #45 on: April 08, 2010, 13:10:38 »
A strange scenario when I was doing medical questionnaire was that I was asked if, in the past year, I have had "tea".

I told medical officer I drink tea almost everyday. And he laughed and said, "It's a different tea."

So what does "tea" mean in the questionnaire??

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Re: Few questions on the NCM-SEP program
« Reply #46 on: April 08, 2010, 13:33:15 »
Cannabis tea?  Mushroom tea?  Meth is also called crystal tea.
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Re: Few questions on the NCM-SEP program
« Reply #47 on: April 08, 2010, 14:21:02 »
A strange scenario when I was doing medical questionnaire was that I was asked if, in the past year, I have had "tea".

I told medical officer I drink tea almost everyday. And he laughed and said, "It's a different tea."

If he thinks it's supposed to be a different tea, then I think he's mistaken.  There aren't supposed to be any trick questions on the medical.  If they want to know about your tea consumption, that's one thing.  If they want to know if you've been making tea from illicit substances, they should be spelling it out.

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Re: Few questions on the NCM-SEP program
« Reply #48 on: April 17, 2010, 22:54:22 »
I think they were referring to cannabis tea and mushroom tea. I told them I drink green tea and red rose, and they said those are not the ones they are concerned.

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NCM-SEP question
« Reply #49 on: August 08, 2010, 16:14:59 »
Hello.
I applied at the start of march 2010 and have done my apptitude test, medical and interview and then a few months after (on July 27) I got a call was told the DOE for VEH TECH was full but they would offer me a chance at the NCM-SEP VEH TEC all I had to do was apply to the two colleges and hand in an acceptance letter which I did this past friday (Aug 6) and was told I was merit lsited for the program which is suppose to start Sept. 7.

I was just wondering if there is some kind of date on when merit lists get looked at and maybe picked or something just so I could have a better idea of a time line I have for preparing and planning because the college is a 9 hour drive one way from my current residence so I would need to find a place to live, and being able to give my current job of 6 years notice of such an event.
I also ask this because I have already informed my bosses of the situation at hand and they were not to pleased with the idea of me giving them little to no warning if I was to quite and were a little upset with me about this even though I have kept them in the loop with my status checks since I applied early march so it wouldn't be a surprise if I did get in.

thank you for any help anyone is able to give me if any ;D