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Aircrew and trades. Need Advice.
« on: July 29, 2009, 16:37:53 »
Hey guys, so basically I got a call from the Recruitment Centre about the trades that I choose for Aircrew, and they said that since I don't qualify for Air Nav. or Aerospace Control, I have to go with Logistics. Can anyone give me some insights on some of the common trades in the AF? I wanted a career in the Canadian Forces because I wanted to do something without regret, but I don't want to be stuck with one I don't like. It's not that I don't like Logistics, but I just want to make sure that I'll be happy with a trade in the future. And so what I'm asking is what other trades are there for the AF, and how the conditions are, hours, pay, etc...

Your responses will be appreciated. I think I might not be clear on some parts, but just ask and I'll explain a bit further what I mean. Thanks.

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Re: Aircrew and trades. Need Advice.
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2009, 16:41:23 »
My question would be is why did you even bother putting down a trade that you had little interest in? I know sometimes it is hard to decide but this is your future career and life you are talking about. The choices you make signing up with will effect you in the future. Like it is now...
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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2009, 16:41:54 »
Are you only interested in AF officer trades ?

If you want to fly and wouldnt mind an NCM trade, i have one you might be interested in.

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Re: Aircrew and trades. Need Advice.
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2009, 16:44:53 »
Are you only interested in AF officer trades ?

If you want to fly and wouldnt mind an NCM trade, i have one you might be interested in.

Still recruiting huh? ;)
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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2009, 16:46:44 »

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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2009, 18:57:39 »
lol no. when I applied for trades, I had three in mind. two of which I'm not qualified for, because of my vision. I'm just asking for some extra info on the other trades. when I applied, I only looked at a few options. and now on the shelf I see a whole bunch of other things. I'm like wow...

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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2009, 22:32:12 »
Go AES op, thrust me you won't regret it. And its way better than Nav. >:D
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Re: Aircrew and trades. Need Advice.
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2009, 07:29:10 »
Go AES op, thrust me you won't regret it. And its way better than Nav.

Thrust me?  Isn't that sexual harassment?   ;)
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Re: Aircrew and trades. Need Advice.
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2009, 08:34:52 »
It is a good thing that there aren't any more Navs in Canada...

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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2009, 12:47:35 »
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Thrust me?  Isn't that sexual harassment?   

Hahahaha, yeah I definitely mispelled that one.
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Re: Aircrew and trades. Need Advice.
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2009, 13:08:23 »
Go AES op, thrust me you won't regret it. And its way better than Nav. >:D

I've applied for AES op and it looks very very interesting from everything I've read and have been told. i_am_red if you do decide to go for AES op I suggest you do it quick as I was last told that as of July 17th there were 4 spots left for DE. If you don't have a problem with waiting until April though then that won't be a problem
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Re: Aircrew and trades. Need Advice.
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2009, 19:44:54 »
Always

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Re: Aircrew and trades. Need Advice.
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2010, 13:39:56 »
Are you only interested in AF officer trades ?

If you want to fly and wouldnt mind an NCM trade, i have one you might be interested in.

What trade is that? I'm going NCM and love aircraft. I'm interested in what you have to say!
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Re: Aircrew and trades. Need Advice.
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2010, 19:13:26 »
He means AES Op. Great trade plus their're spec 1.

Here's a link for more info;
http://www.aesoplounge.com/
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Re: Aircrew and trades. Need Advice.
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2010, 00:00:00 »
Yeah I read up on it and got all excited but when I called to put it as an option I was told I needed a university credit math...  :( so bummed out. I'm trying to figure out second and third choices, I'm kind of interested in aerospace control..I heard it was stressful though.
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Re: Aircrew and trades. Need Advice.
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2010, 09:33:58 »
Let's see...
infantry - getting shot at
bos'n - deicing the ship in a north-atlantic storm
armour - boom boom at 100km/h

It's the military - all jobs can be stressful... that said, you'll be well looked after.

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Re: Aircrew and trades. Need Advice.
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2010, 01:23:01 »
Yeah I read up on it and got all excited but when I called to put it as an option I was told I needed a university credit math...  :( so bummed out. I'm trying to figure out second and third choices, I'm kind of interested in aerospace control..I heard it was stressful though.

University math credit for AES Op?  Unless something changed, that is not the entrance requirement for AES Op. 

It is:

Applicants must now possess a Grade 12 graduation complete with grade 10 Academic math.

I'd call your CFRC back and ask them to verify this for you.  That info comes from a thread on the AES Op Lounge and was written by an AES Op Chief Warrant Officer.  I consider the Chiefs in our trade to be the Bible on trade info too.  Not to knock the CFRC staffs, but the Direct Entry trial is still kind of in its baby form and the AES Op trade is not as well known to most CF members as say, infantry and RMS Clerks are. 

Again, I'd call the CFRC back if I were you, if you are interested in AES Op.

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« Last Edit: March 20, 2010, 01:28:05 by Eye In The Sky »
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« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2010, 05:12:46 »


It is:

Applicants must now possess a Grade 12 graduation complete with grade 10 Academic math.

I'd call your CFRC back and ask them to verify this for you.  That info comes from a thread on the AES Op Lounge and was written by an AES Op Chief Warrant Officer.  I consider the Chiefs in our trade to be the Bible on trade info too.  Not to knock the CFRC staffs, but the Direct Entry trial is still kind of in its baby form and the AES Op trade is not as well known to most CF members as say, infantry and RMS Clerks are. 

Again, I'd call the CFRC back if I were you, if you are interested in AES Op.

This coming Tuesday, the very first Direct Entry Privates will get their Wings on parade; the first IAQC just finised their check rides today and got their posting messages and are out killing brains cells to celebrate as I type this.

Yeah I'm going to do that. It was for sure the only other trade that I was 100% about wanting besides MP. He might of looked at the wrong trade perhaps...
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Re: Aircrew and trades. Need Advice.
« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2010, 11:45:14 »
Yeah University credit math required is confirmed for AESop. Shoot.
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« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2010, 13:15:15 »
Yeah University credit math required is confirmed for AESop. Shoot.

The requirement is grade 12 with grade 10 academic math.

Period.

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« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2010, 14:32:10 »
The requirement is grade 12 with grade 10 academic math.

Period.

Maybe someone could post the reference so he doesn't go in to the recruiting centre with, "But the guys on Milnet.ca said..."

We all know how well that one would go over.
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« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2010, 00:13:08 »
I don't have an official reference, however my advice to EpicBeardedMan is this.

Go to this thread on The AES Op Lounge site.  Sign up on the site, and on that thread, ask if the academic requirements are any different now than what is listed there by Al Houston (one of the senior AES Ops in the CF) and explain what you've been told at the CFRC.

If nothing has changed, you are likely to be contacted by one of the Senior AES Ops (read CWOs) on the site who will probably want to know what CFRC you are dealing with, and some phone calls may be made to correct the situation.  I've seen a similar situation happen where someone trying to get into the MOC was told something not quite correct at a CFRC and one of the other Senior AES Ops intervened with a CFRC and the applicant was able to proceed, but they only knew about it from it being posted on The Lounge.

I don't know where to find the official reference for the education requirements, probably on the Occupation Specs DIN site but I don't have that handy. 

I still think the best COA for EBM is to post the question on the AES Op Lounge and go from there, I've seen it work in the past.  Maybe CDN Aviator has a better suggestion or can/is working on something on his end, but I'll mention it to the powers that be on my end tomorrow morning as well.
« Last Edit: March 26, 2010, 00:30:24 by Eye In The Sky »
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« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2010, 11:50:07 »
Yeah I'll post on that site and see whats up, any clarification I get would be awesome. Thanks for the help Eye.
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Re: Aircrew and trades. Need Advice.
« Reply #23 on: March 27, 2010, 06:16:10 »
I see you are dealing with the CFRC in Mississauga.  Did you try to hit the recruiting center in Toronto?   I know there used to be one there on Yonge St, just don't get stuck in the Zanzibar on your way up.

You could just give them call and ask them what the requirements are, and see if you get the same answer.


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« Reply #24 on: March 27, 2010, 21:48:05 »
I think I figured this whole thing out, apparently from like, grade 8 or 9 until the end of grade 10 courses are either APPLIED or ACADEMIC. This is where I got confused because it becomes COLLEGE and UNIVERSITY from 11 on. So when they said university I think they meant Academic.  :-\
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