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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #200 on: February 01, 2019, 17:42:28 »
For now it’s a full move. Don’t know about the new course.


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Great thanks, do you happen to know when the new courses are expected begin? Within the year? If Im selected this April I would assume I would begin course sometime between June and the end of the year.

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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #201 on: February 01, 2019, 20:51:39 »
On average a course starts every two months.   Selected in April?  I’d expect a July/Sept start.


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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #202 on: February 02, 2019, 10:14:58 »
On average a course starts every two months.   Selected in April?  I’d expect a July/Sept start.

Ok thanks Dolphin. Maybe I should clarify the question. The poster above mentioned that for now when people are posted to Winnipeg for the ACSO course that they're entitled to a full move, and that this may change when the new and shorter course is introduced. So the question I I have is, does anyone have an idea when this new potentially  shorter course is scheduled to run for the first time? This may give me an idea of whether or not I can expect a full move if selected this April.

Dolphin, For those ACSOs that are entering the trade from the NCM side, there are NCM commissioning competitions like CEOTP and UTPNCM. The selection boards are normally held annually with selected applicants notified around the April/May time frame. What happens between the time when you are selected and the time you begin the ACSO course is what I'm trying to figure out lol.

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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #203 on: February 02, 2019, 12:37:13 »
You will be on the new course, if there is no change and you are select. The wait between the BMOQ  ( or moving to winnipeg) and ACSO course may varie for 3 month to 1 year for now. depend on so many things. One of the intents with the new course is to cut the waiting time. The best and this is the method I use is to focus on one step at time. Get selected and BMOQ for now or get selected and move to winnipeg if you are already in the forces. The waiting time is case by case and really difficult to anticipate. Hope I didn’t demotivate you.


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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #204 on: February 02, 2019, 15:28:04 »
You will be on the new course, if there is no change and you are select. The wait between the BMOQ  ( or moving to winnipeg) and ACSO course may varie for 3 month to 1 year for now. depend on so many things. One of the intents with the new course is to cut the waiting time. The best and this is the method I use is to focus on one step at time. Get selected and BMOQ for now or get selected and move to winnipeg if you are already in the forces. The waiting time is case by case and really difficult to anticipate. Hope I didn’t demotivate you.


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Thanks for the Info, I will bypass BMOQ,  I'm just trying to figure out if I will be able to bring my family with me to Winnipeg and if not how long I could expect to be away. I guess I'll just have to wait and see if I'm selected and then see what the posting message says.  Thanks again everyone for your info and advice.

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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #205 on: February 02, 2019, 22:09:30 »
Dolphin, For those ACSOs that are entering the trade from the NCM side, there are NCM commissioning competitions like CEOTP and UTPNCM. The selection boards are normally held annually with selected applicants notified around the April/May time frame. What happens between the time when you are selected and the time you begin the ACSO course is what I'm trying to figure out lol.

No worries, I knew what you meant (I meant to type - If selected in April). I am familiar with the selection dates and all that goes with it.  This time last year I was in a similar position.  That being said, I am currently on course at 402.  If I hear anything about upcoming courses/changes I’ll let you know.

Good luck with the process.

 

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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #206 on: February 03, 2019, 00:40:55 »
No worries, I knew what you meant (I meant to type - If selected in April). I am familiar with the selection dates and all that goes with it.  This time last year I was in a similar position.  That being said, I am currently on course at 402.  If I hear anything about upcoming courses/changes I’ll let you know.

Good luck with the process.

Thanks Dolphin, that would be much appreciated! Good luck on course!

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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #207 on: March 04, 2019, 00:25:53 »
Hello,

What are the odds of being an ACSO on Alphajet? As I believe this is the only jet an ACSO can expect to experience?
And is there any ACSO operating on a Cormoran SAR ?
I'd love to complete missions on those two airframes...

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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #208 on: March 04, 2019, 01:06:13 »
If you are interested in being a backseater on something like an Alpha Jet (or whatever they use nowadays) do a search for "EWO". If I remember correctly, there are a few people on here that have done that gig.

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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #209 on: March 04, 2019, 01:56:15 »
And is there any ACSO operating on a Cormoran SAR ?
There are not.
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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #210 on: March 04, 2019, 07:48:13 »
Hello,

What are the odds of being an ACSO on Alphajet? As I believe this is the only jet an ACSO can expect to experience?
And is there any ACSO operating on a Cormoran SAR ?
I'd love to complete missions on those two airframes...

Newly minted ACSOs will most likely find themselves in the MH/LRP/FWSAR communities.  Alpha Jets and AAR are posting options as well, but there are fewer spots to fill in those communities. 

The odds of being posted to Alpha jets is slim, not impossible.
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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #211 on: March 04, 2019, 08:17:50 »
For alpha 1 peson per course got post on this aircraft in the last year. So look like a 1/8 for now but can change anytime.


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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #212 on: March 04, 2019, 13:03:49 »
Newly minted ACSOs will most likely find themselves in the MH/LRP/FWSAR communities.  Alpha Jets and AAR are posting options as well, but there are fewer spots to fill in those communities. 

The odds of being posted to Alpha jets is slim, not impossible.

Also, Alpha Jets aren't a community - people go there for one tour then off to another platform.
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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #213 on: March 05, 2019, 01:28:41 »
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Also, Alpha Jets aren't a community - people go there for one tour then off to another platform.

Thanks. Do you mean that is different on other airframes?

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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #214 on: March 05, 2019, 09:27:04 »
Thanks. Do you mean that is different on other airframes?

Generally, you stay with your airframe for your career. Occasionally, people ask to be moved from one airframe to another, but it is not common.

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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #215 on: March 13, 2019, 00:58:18 »
Thank you all for your answers. But the more I look for information about ACSO, the more I have questions!

- TechCrmn says he's waiting for the selection board to sit this spring. Is there only one session per year or can I expect to receive an offer anytime in the next 12 months?

- I also read that we can take the ACSO course in french (my first language). If so that would certainly help me to better perform (and get a better chance to choose my first posting). However I have heard that the ACSO and Pilot courses are only taught in english since this is the international language for aircrew and radio communications. That said all Officers are supposed to become fully bilingual between BMOQ and the moment they start their professional instruction, aren't they? Any thought?

- Concrete question about the job : I believe it depends of the airframe, but do an ACSO move a lot in the aircraft or are they mostly sitting at a desk staring at screens and doing math?

- What type of weaponry does an ACSO operate? Looking at all squadrons, I only think about torpedoes so far.

Thank you for helping me better understand my (hopefully) future job!

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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #216 on: March 13, 2019, 13:12:25 »

- TechCrmn says he's waiting for the selection board to sit this spring. Is there only one session per year or can I expect to receive an offer anytime in the next 12 months?


If you knew how the CAF works (and you are not expected to know that unless you are, or were, a serving member) you would realize that TechCrmn's situation is different than yours and any timing expectations that he has will have no relation to you.  TechCrmn is currently a serving member of the CAF and applied for commissioning (as an ACSO) under an in-service Continuing Education Officer Training Program (CEOTP).  The application deadlines that he had to meet and the number of available positions that he is competing for is completely separate from that which you (as a civilian) are chasing.
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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #217 on: March 13, 2019, 13:24:31 »
- I also read that we can take the ACSO course in french (my first language). If so that would certainly help me to better perform (and get a better chance to choose my first posting). However I have heard that the ACSO and Pilot courses are only taught in english since this is the international language for aircrew and radio communications. That said all Officers are supposed to become fully bilingual between BMOQ and the moment they start their professional instruction, aren't they? Any thought?

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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #218 on: March 14, 2019, 10:30:33 »
Hey Again,

Just a question for any qualified or trg ACSO's....When do new ACSOs begin receiving Aircrew Allowance? Is it after wings, upon commencement of the ACSO course, or at another time?

I am guessing that at a minimum students would be receiving casual aircrew allowance for flight days while on the ACSO course?

Thanks
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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #219 on: March 14, 2019, 10:50:32 »
You receive the standing allowance once qualified and posted into an eligible position.
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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #220 on: March 14, 2019, 12:45:01 »
Hey Dapaterson,

Thank you for your reply. When you say "qualified" do you mean qualified ACSO (wings) or qualified on type? (FWSAR, MH, LRP, etc)

Thanks again
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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #221 on: March 14, 2019, 21:07:06 »
Aircrew Allowance

205.32(1) (Intent) Aircrew Allowance (Monthly) is financial compensation paid for the performance of assigned duties where there is continual and substantial exposure to the environmental conditions associated with flying operations.

205.32(2) (Definition) In this instruction, “aircrew” means:

(a) a pilot who is paid under CBI 204.215 (Pay – Officers – Pilots – Lieutenant Colonel, Major and Captain);

(b) a member who is aircrew badge qualified and current in the operation of aircraft or airborne equipment to the standard that is established from time to time by or under the authority of the CDS; or

(c) a member who is flight crew badge or specialist flight crew badge qualified and current to the standard that is established from time to time by or under the authority of the CDS.

205.32(3) (Entitlement) Subject to paragraph (4), an aircrew member of the Regular Force or of the Reserve Force who is on either Class “B” or “C” Reserve Service is entitled to this allowance if all of the following conditions are satisfied:

(a) the aircrew member occupies a designated position for the purposes of this instruction;

(b) the aircrew member reports for duty in the designated aircrew position; and

(c) the member is not disentitled under CBI 205.29 (Environmental Allowances Matrix) or CBI 10.3.08 (Environmental Allowances).

205.32(4) (No Entitlement) There is no entitlement to this allowance if an event provided in paragraph (2) of CBI 205.15 (No Entitlement — Common Events) occurs.

205.32(5) (Amount) The amount of this allowance is:

(a) for a full month of entitlement, the monthly rate set out in the Table to this instruction;

(b) for less than a month of entitlement, the amount calculated by the formula

[ ( A ÷ 30 ) × N ]

where

A is the monthly rate set out in the Table to this instruction, and

N is the number of days in that month that the aircrew is entitled to this allowance.

(TB 1 June 2017, effective 1 September 2017)


Back before the 2017 changes, when I was on Sqn waiting MOAT we were entitled to AIRCRA as we were Wings qual'd, awaiting training and posted to a flying Sqn.  Now, it's as per above.
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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #222 on: March 14, 2019, 23:16:28 »
Aircrew Allowance

205.32(1) (Intent) Aircrew Allowance (Monthly) is financial compensation paid for the performance of assigned duties where there is continual and substantial exposure to the environmental conditions associated with flying operations.

205.32(2) (Definition) In this instruction, “aircrew” means:

(a) a pilot who is paid under CBI 204.215 (Pay – Officers – Pilots – Lieutenant Colonel, Major and Captain);

(b) a member who is aircrew badge qualified and current in the operation of aircraft or airborne equipment to the standard that is established from time to time by or under the authority of the CDS; or

(c) a member who is flight crew badge or specialist flight crew badge qualified and current to the standard that is established from time to time by or under the authority of the CDS.

205.32(3) (Entitlement) Subject to paragraph (4), an aircrew member of the Regular Force or of the Reserve Force who is on either Class “B” or “C” Reserve Service is entitled to this allowance if all of the following conditions are satisfied:

(a) the aircrew member occupies a designated position for the purposes of this instruction;

(b) the aircrew member reports for duty in the designated aircrew position; and

(c) the member is not disentitled under CBI 205.29 (Environmental Allowances Matrix) or CBI 10.3.08 (Environmental Allowances).

205.32(4) (No Entitlement) There is no entitlement to this allowance if an event provided in paragraph (2) of CBI 205.15 (No Entitlement — Common Events) occurs.

205.32(5) (Amount) The amount of this allowance is:

(a) for a full month of entitlement, the monthly rate set out in the Table to this instruction;

(b) for less than a month of entitlement, the amount calculated by the formula

[ ( A ÷ 30 ) × N ]

where

A is the monthly rate set out in the Table to this instruction, and

N is the number of days in that month that the aircrew is entitled to this allowance.

(TB 1 June 2017, effective 1 September 2017)


Back before the 2017 changes, when I was on Sqn waiting MOAT we were entitled to AIRCRA as we were Wings qual'd, awaiting training and posted to a flying Sqn.  Now, it's as per above.

Great thanks, I guess I should have just looked it up lol

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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #223 on: March 16, 2019, 07:33:26 »
Great thanks, I guess I should have just looked it up lol

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Re: Air Combat Systems Officer ( ACSO )
« Reply #224 on: March 16, 2019, 12:20:06 »
No worries;  I'm with the government and I'm here to help!

Yea unfortunately sometimes even when you do find the policy it can be a little ambiguous :S For example, the policy states in the case of an ACSO "(b) a member who is aircrew badge qualified and current in the operation of aircraft or airborne equipment to the standard that is established from time to time by or under the authority of the CDS"

The first part is clear in that once you complete the ACSO course you will be aircrew badge qualified and would meet that requirement.

Although the second part current in the operation of aircraft or airborne equipment is not really clear and should refer to the qualification point of the member instead ie. wings, operational functional point(OFP), etc. because technically once you finish your ACSO course you would be current in the operation of airborne equipment just not all airborne equipment as it relates to your specific aircraft type.

Anyway, Eye in The Sky, or anyone else in the know, could you tell me if this currently means new ACSOs would get AIRCRA immediately following wings or if it has changed to after on-type training or in other words OFP?

Thanks in advance!