Topic: Dutch ships and designs and the possibilities for Canada

[Karel Doorman]

Signing done,now let's start to build.

https://youtu.be/CHlJYpP3dwQ

[Karel Doorman]

The new CSS (Combat Support Ship),namesign"The Den Helder A834"

In Dutch,sorry,but you"ll get the picture,in service(hopefully)by 2023.

https://i.ibb.co/zQj5r61/css.jpg

[Retired AF Guy]

The new CSS (Combat Support Ship),namesign"The Den Helder A834"

In Dutch,sorry,but you"ll get the picture,in service(hopefully)by 2023.

https://i.ibb.co/zQj5r61/css.jpg

I couldn't find the exact article, but I did find another Dutch article on the same subject and below is the Google Translation:

   Combat support ship / supply ship Den Helder
By: Jaime Karremann  Last edited: 23-11-2018

    The Combat Support Ship (CSS), either supply ship or tanker, will in the future have to supply naval vessels of, among others, the Dutch fleet with fuel, spare parts and ammunition. In 2017 it was announced that this capacity will be added to the fleet. The ship must be put into service in 2023 and will be Zr.Ms. Go to Den Helder.

    Go directly to specifications (at the bottom of this page).

    CSS Den Helder
    The Combat Support Ship (CSS) in a still from an animation of the name disclosure in November 2018. (Image: DMO)

    Tasks
    A supply ship has the task of supplying naval vessels at sea. This concerns fuel for ships and helicopters / aircraft, spare parts, ammunition and victories (food and drink). Thanks to a supplier, ships can stay at sea for a longer period of time, and are therefore also more flexible in the event of a suddenly changing assignment. A supplier can sail along in a context and then supply the ships during a large voyage (when the Dutch navy made far-away squadron trips, a supplier often went along and the Chinese navy ships that now call in Europe often also have a supply ship with them).

    Another possibility is that, for example, frigates patrol during a sea blockade in a certain delimited area. The tanker can then commute between the ports and the frigates with fresh food, fuel, etc. without the frigates having to leave their 'box'.

    In addition to supplying, combat support ships can also perform other logistical tasks. For example, transporting material or acting as a floating hospital. Of course they can also be used for more general marine tasks. The Zuiderkruis and Amsterdam have done anti-piracy and drug control. Nevertheless, the emphasis in the CSS is on supply tasks.

    LSV Damen
    The Logistics Support Vessel (LSV) from Damen forms the basis for the new supply ship, where the cutlery of the Karel Doorman is fitted. (Photo: Damen)

    Robust, simple, reliable
    Despite the name combat support ship, it is a supply ship such as the Amsterdam, Zuiderkruis and Pole Star. Project leader Paul de Leeuw said about this in an interview: 'That is also the wish of Admiral Kramer (Commander of the Royal Netherlands Navy, JK). He wants a robust, simple, reliable and sustainable ship. No hassle. But the Amsterdam was a single-hit ship This new ship must be able to cash in and slap a blow, and that is also the case with the Doorman When the ship was designed, they said we must build a real warship, including redundancy and duplication in systems. C.S.S.'

From a distant past: beer at sea.

    Based on design Damen plus Karel Doorman
    There is little time to get the ship up and running, therefore an existing design is chosen as the starting point. After the requirements and the 'further specifications of requirements' (staff requirements) were completed in the spring of 2018, the specifications were worked on. The cutlery that was used was the cutlery from the Karel Doorman, but that had to be adjusted to the wishes of the CSS and had to fit within the LSV design. The LSV is a design by Damen that the company had offered to Norway.

    Not only did the JSS specifications have to be adjusted, the design of the LSV also underwent considerable changes. One of the changes is the size. The LSV was approximately 166 to 170 meters long, the CSS at the end of 2018 was exactly 179.5 meters. This was mainly due to the requirement that the amount of fuel that the ship must be able to deliver is equal to the capacity of the Doorman. Furthermore, the bow has changed, it has become a lot straighter to save fuel.

    The tanker will have a displacement of approximately 20,000 tons. This may seem substantial, but a small tanker was deliberately not chosen (comparable to, for example, small German tankers) because those tankers are often intended for small ships and short operating periods. The new tanker must be able to support a task group of six ships, even in bad weather, and that is only possible with a larger ship. Because the tanker must be double-walled due to new regulations and modern requirements regarding ammunition storage, the volume has also increased.

    The supply ship will have combined loading positions on starboard, port and rear, a large crane and space for 20 containers. The crew will consist of 75 m / v, there are 160 beds on board.

    The ship will be built in Romania by Damen.  There may be cooperation with Germany.

Specifications

Signal: A83? Name: Den Helder In service: 2022
Dimensions: 179.5 meters
Max water displacement: 20,000 tons
Max speed: 20 knots?
Crew: 75 (accommodation: 160)
Diesel-electric propulsion: (same as JSS)
Weapon systems: Hitrole ? Goalkeeper
Sensors: Thales NS100 Navigation radar
Helicopters: Multiple helicopters
Loading capacity, among others: 20 containers

Link Note: I did some minor editing especially for the specifications page.

[Karel Doorman]

thanks  ,seems to be translated quite good(but read it fast,so might be a few things here and there)

[CloudCover]

“This new ship must be able to cash in and slap a blow”.... I hope this is a Google translate error ... floating Casino?

[Karel Doorman]

“This new ship must be able to cash in and slap a blow”.... I hope this is a Google translate error ... floating Casino?

yeah,i think they meant"must be able to take a hit and defend herself"(a bit)

[Karel Doorman]

Germany’s $6.7 billion frigate deal with Dutch shipbuilder Damen may be the last of its kind

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2020/01/16/germanys-67-billion-frigate-deal-with-dutch-shipbuilder-damen-may-be-the-last-of-its-kind/#.XiDQZVrlYjl.twitter

[Karel Doorman]

Latest news on the "to be biuld"CSS(and latest rendering)

https://www.damen.com/en/news/2020/02/main_contractor_damen_and_more_than_a_hundred_companies_contribute_to_css#.Xk1cLNlP-JQ.twitter

[Colin P]

Nigeria has ordered one of these https://products.damen.com/en/ranges/landing-ship/landing-ship-transport-100

[Spencer100]

Nigeria has ordered one of these https://products.damen.com/en/ranges/landing-ship/landing-ship-transport-100

More

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/209747/damen-lays-keel-for-nigerian-navy-landing-craft.html

[Underway]

Nice video on the new mine countermeasures ships.  These should be looked at seriously for ideas as MCDV replacements

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsjQvjfBLLU

[Karel Doorman]

Some more details on the to be build CSS"Den Helder"


38SWZ MARITIME • MARCH 2020With the Den Helder, the maritime supply capacity of the Royal Netherlands Navy will be restored. This ship will replace the HNLMS Amsterdam that de-commissioned due to budget cuts in 2014. The other supply vessel, the HNLMS Karel Doorman, entered the fl eet in 2015 replacing the HNLMS Zuiderkruis. The Den Helder will be delivered in June 2024 and is to be fully operational a year later.The ship will have a length over all of 178.3 metres, beam of 26.4 metres and the design draft is 8.3 metres. The displacement is 22,595 tonnes. It is somewhat smaller than the Karel Doorman (204.7 x 30.4 x 8.0 metres) with a displacement of 27.800 tonnes. This Joint Support Ship (JSS) has larger loading capacities and more facili-ties. The permanent crew of the Combat Support Ship (CSS) con-sists of 75 pax. In addition, facilities are available for another 85 pax for performing extra mission related assignments.Seven per cent effi ciency gainThe ship will be equipped with Wärtsilä diesel generator sets (Tier On the 19th of February, the Director of the Defence Materiel Organization Vice Admiral Arie Jan de Waard and the new CEO of Damen Shipyards Group Arnout Damen signed the contract for the new Combat Support Ship HNLMS Den Helder. The contract includes engineering and production. The event took place on the bridge of the HNLMS Karel Doorman, the so called Joint Support Ship, the other supply vessel that served as the basis for the new design. IMPROVED EFFICIENCY FOR NEW COMBAT SUPPORT SHIPN AV Y3) to deliver 15.8 megawatts installed power. Electric propulsion mo-tors and two fi xed pitch propellers allow for a maximum speed of 19 knots. Extensive model tests at Marin resulted in a seven per cent gain in propulsion effi ciency with regards to the JSS. Marin took the opportunity to celebrate the fact that the measurements were car-ried out with the 10,000th model since the institute was founded with a beautiful light show for a lot of guests.EquipmentThe ship is equipped with two Replenishment at Sea (RAS) stations on both sides constructed according to a NATO standard (STANAG) to provide NATO ships with fuel at sea, while both ships continue to sail and manoeuvre. The ship can supply 7600 m3 of diesel fuel (F 76) and 1000 m3 of aviation fuel (F44) and besides that 226 m3 of fresh water and 290 m3 of urea for application in a selective catalytic re-duction (SCR) catalysator. The ship is also able to supply solids at sea: ammunition (storage capacity 434 tonnes) and other goods such as provisions and spares. The ship can also carry 24 contain-ers on deck and one below deck. The ship will be equipped with two 40-tonne cranes.Two Landing Craft Vehicle Personnel (LCVP, 24 tonnes) will be placed in niches; one on starboard and one port side. The same ap-plies to the two Fast Raiding Interception and Special Forces Craft (FRISC, 10 tonnes). The ship will have two lifeboats. The ship also offers facilities for helicopter operations. The hangar is designed for operations with two NH 90 helicopters or a Merlin or NH90 in com-bination with two Unmanned Air Vehicles. The ship is equipped with a hospital (Role-2 basic afloat), which is less in size than onboard the JSS.SurvivabilityDuring the design of the CSS, specific attention was paid to enhance the ship’s survivability. That is, the ability of the ship and its systems to remain functional during a mission in a hostile environment. It is composed of a combination of the ship's suscepti-bility, vulnerability and recoverability. For the platform, this means that the signatures, underwater noise, radar cross section and in-frared (IR) radiation are reduced as much as possible. With regard to vulnerability: shock requirements will be applied, which will result in harness bulkheads and other protection and – N AV Yquite important – a well-designed general arrangement of the ship. The enhancement of recoverability is achieved for instance by dam-age control and firefighting and where effective, further automation.Internal communication is important and therefore a wireless sys-tem will be installed, whereby everyone is equipped with a mobile device, which also serves alarm handling. The ship will receive a most up-to-date cyber security system.  Focus on maintenancePreparation of the ship’s maintenance is very important for proper transfer to the fleet and, therefore, more attention is paid to produc-ing extensive technical documentation, purchasing the correct spare parts and education and training. The CSS Den Helder will be built entirely at Damen’s shipyard inGalati, Romania, including setting to work and the execution of sea trials. Construction will be in accordance with DNV-GL class rules and the Naval Ship Code, the naval equivalent to SOLAS

[Chris Pook]

If I may - 

38SWZ MARITIME • MARCH 2020

With the Den Helder, the maritime supply capacity of the Royal Netherlands Navy will be restored.
 
This ship will replace the HNLMS Amsterdam that de-commissioned due to budget cuts in 2014. The other supply vessel, the HNLMS Karel Doorman, entered the fleet in 2015 replacing the HNLMS Zuiderkruis. The Den Helder will be delivered in June 2024 and is to be fully operational a year later.

The ship will have a length over all of 178.3 metres, beam of 26.4 metres and the design draft is 8.3 metres. The displacement is 22,595 tonnes. It is somewhat smaller than the Karel Doorman (204.7 x 30.4 x 8.0 metres) with a displacement of 27.800 tonnes. This Joint Support Ship (JSS) has larger loading capacities and more facilities.

The permanent crew of the Combat Support Ship (CSS) consists of 75 pax. In addition, facilities are available for another 85 pax for performing extra mission related assignments.
 
On the 19th of February, the Director of the Defence Materiel Organization Vice Admiral Arie Jan de Waard and the new CEO of Damen Shipyards Group Arnout Damen signed the contract for the new Combat Support Ship HNLMS Den Helder. The contract includes engineering and production. The event took place on the bridge of the HNLMS Karel Doorman, the so-called Joint Support Ship, the other supply vessel that served as the basis for the new design.

IMPROVED EFFICIENCY FOR NEW COMBAT SUPPORT SHIP
Seven per cent efficiency gain

The ship will be equipped with Wärtsilä diesel generator sets (Tier) to deliver 15.8 megawatts installed power.  Electric propulsion motors and two fixed pitch propellers allow for a maximum speed of 19 knots.

Extensive model tests at Marin resulted in a seven per cent gain in propulsion efficiency with regards to the JSS. Marin took the opportunity to celebrate the fact that the measurements were carried out with the 10,000th model since the institute was founded with a beautiful light show for a lot of guests.

Equipment

The ship is equipped with two Replenishment at Sea (RAS) stations on both sides, constructed according to a NATO standard (STANAG) to provide NATO ships with fuel at sea, while both ships continue to sail and manoeuvre. The ship can supply 7600 m3 of diesel fuel (F 76) and 1000 m3 of aviation fuel (F44) and besides that 226 m3 of fresh water and 290 m3 of urea for application in a selective catalytic re-duction (SCR) catalysator.

The ship is also able to supply solids at sea: ammunition (storage capacity 434 tonnes) and other goods such as provisions and spares. The ship can also carry 24 containers on deck and one below deck. The ship will be equipped with two 40-tonne cranes.

Two Landing Craft Vehicle Personnel (LCVP, 24 tonnes) will be placed in niches; one on starboard and one port side. The same applies to the two Fast Raiding Interception and Special Forces Craft (FRISC, 10 tonnes). The ship will have two lifeboats.

The ship also offers facilities for helicopter operations. The hangar is designed for operations with two NH 90 helicopters or a Merlin or NH90 in com-bination with two Unmanned Air Vehicles.

The ship is equipped with a hospital (Role-2 basic afloat), which is less in size than onboard the JSS.

Survivability

During the design of the CSS, specific attention was paid to enhance the ship’s survivability. That is, the ability of the ship and its systems to remain functional during a mission in a hostile environment. It is composed of a combination of the ship's susceptibility, vulnerability and recoverability.

For the platform, this means that the signatures, underwater noise, radar cross section and in-frared (IR) radiation are reduced as much as possible. With regard to vulnerability: shock requirements will be applied, which will result in harness bulkheads and other protection and – quite important – a well-designed general arrangement of the ship.
 
The enhancement of recoverability is achieved for instance by damage control and firefighting and where effective, further automation.
Internal communication is important and therefore a wireless system will be installed, whereby everyone is equipped with a mobile device, which also serves alarm handling. The ship will receive a most up-to-date cyber security system.
 
Focus on maintenance

Preparation of the ship’s maintenance is very important for proper transfer to the fleet and, therefore, more attention is paid to producing extensive technical documentation, purchasing the correct spare parts and education and training.

The CSS Den Helder will be built entirely at Damen’s shipyard in Galati, Romania, including setting to work and the execution of sea trials. Construction will be in accordance with DNV-GL class rules and the Naval Ship Code, the naval equivalent to SOLAS

I think that makes it a bit more readable.

Thanks for the information.

[Colin P]

HNLMS Karel Doorman - The Dutch Joint Support Ship Which Is Also Used By The German Navy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFyIUMFrjj0

[Karel Doorman]

Finally new canons are ordered for the LCF class(The "the Seven")

Four 127/64 LW Vulcano's:


Leonardo Comments Dutch MoD Contract Award for 127mm Naval Guns

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2020/04/leonardo-comments-dutch-mod-contract-award-for-127mm-naval-guns/

[Underway]

That's good to hear.  Last I heard they were barely serviceable due to lack of parts.  They worked but if something broke, well it might very well have stayed broke.

[Karel Doorman]

So we went from this.(design 2019)

1-multi mission Bay gone

2-Rhibs 7 mtrs instead of 12 mtrs Frisc

3-No possibillity to increase the number of VLS cells.

Although  If you need extra VLS, you can also choose to place the Adaptable Deck Launcher on the hangar.

https://www.baesystems.com/en-us/product/adaptable-deck-launcher

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/naval-exhibitions/2018/sna-2018/5843-sna-2018-bae-systems-unveils-the-adaptable-deck-launcher.html

4-Bow screw gone

[Karel Doorman]

To This;(final design 24/06/20)

133 mtrs,5500 tonns ASW frigate(replacement M-class)

This is what certain to be on the ship:

This is what's set about systems on board(a lot is unknown)

A few systems are certain. Zuiddam: "ESSM Block 2 is simply in the order. So there will be a VLS [vertical launcher, ] and you have to control that chain. You do that with sensors based on AWWS, which are now being developed with the latest techniques and latest Threat Scenarios. The same system will be deployed on the German MKS 180 frigates, including APAR Block 2. " This makes the new frigates a big step forward compared to the M frigates, which do not have such an advanced radar as APAR. This is therefore the successor of the APAR on the LCFs.

At the heart of the ship is a renewed LFAPS, Low Frequency Active Passive Sonar. A sonar that can ping submarines at low frequencies. Because it is left behind in the water, it is also possible to search under temperature layers. Thanks to the low frequency, submarines can be detected very well. The LFAPS is a largely Dutch development, for which there is very much interest from other countries. However, the Netherlands does not want to share that knowledge with many countries.

Rob Zuiddam is projectleader "replacement M-Class"

Also it seems that there will be a 16 cells Vls,that's the number i keep hearing.

Price is to be around the 500 million Euros mark.

[Karel Doorman]

And this is also interesting:

International interest
And maybe there will be more than four. Because there is certainly one seriously interested "from Europe" to participate. De Waard and Zuiddam cannot say which country it concerns. "It is not public," says Zuiddam. "But a formal letter has been sent by that country. So we have to wait a while, although it can be completed within six months."

It is not new that there is interest from abroad in the replacement of the M-frigates. However, the interest is so concrete. Countries such as Portugal (which is very satisfied with the M-frigates and the current modernization) and Norway (which had ideas to replace the sunken frigate Helge Ingstad with two new frigates) have been mentioned for some time.

If three European countries purchase the same new frigates, this is very good news for the project and a special event in the history of European frigate construction

If this would happen,more countries bying the vMFF,a Batch 2 is possible(maybe replace the Hollands for 2 more of these "puppies" and 2 smaller patrol vessels,like the Stan Patrol 5509)

[Karel Doorman]

1 step closer to our new MCM vessels;

Belgian-Dutch Mine Counter Measure (MCM) Program Achieves New Milestone

On May 23, a new contractual milestone was reached as part of the Belgian-Dutch Mine Counter Measure (MCM) program: Exactly one year after notification of the contract in 2019, the program successfully passed the "Systems Functional Review" phase.

In the midst of the COVID-19 health crisis, the teams of Belgium Naval & Robotics and of the binational defense project have reached a new milestone: “Systems Functional Review”. This evaluation makes it possible to validate the functional and architectural studies of all the systems of MCM vessels developed by Naval Group such as computer networks, electrical installations, propulsion systems or combat systems, as well as those of all unmanned systems developed by ECA Group. This review also focused on the system of systems that provides mission management, communications and cybersecurity, as well as on the integration of the unmanned systems aboard the ship.

“This milestone represents an important step because it demonstrates that the systems architecture of the armed ship meets the functional requirements of our Belgian and Dutch customers,”

Eric Perrot, MCM program director at Naval Group.


“The requirement and the rigor of the client when passing these milestones are essential; we can thus approach the next phases of the program in good conditions”

Jean-Louis Sambarino, MCM program director at ECA Group.


“The COVID-19 challenge was resolutely taken up and mastered by Belgium Naval & Robotics and our binational project team. The flexibility, diligence and professionalism of both parties were the ingredients necessary for the success of this important step in the contractual deadlines. The constructive atmosphere and expertise of Belgium Naval & Robotics inspires confidence in the prospect of the next milestone this fall. “

Commander Claude Bultot, program director for the Belgian and Dutch navies


Next phase: Preliminary Design Review

In charge of the preliminary design of the ships, Naval Group works in close collaboration with Kership who will carry out the detailed design of the ships and their construction. Kership’s activities will start after passing the Preliminary Design Review milestone, which is scheduled for December 2020.

The contract for twelve MCM vessels for the Belgian and Dutch navies will span over ten years. After a design period of three years, Belgium Naval & Robotics will move on to the production phase of these ships and unmanned systems, with an initial delivery scheduled for 2024. Six ships will be delivered to the Belgian navy and six to the Dutch navy ; They will be equipped with complete drone systems (Toolbox) containing a total of more than a hundred underwater, surface and aerial drones entirely dedicated to mine hunting.

Belgian-Dutch Mine Counter Measure (MCM) Program Achieves New Milestone - Naval News