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Re: New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy
« Reply #2550 on: January 30, 2019, 15:57:49 »
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medium/river icebreakers (type 1200) of the Coast Guard and the multi-task type 1100, not to mention by then the type 1050 and the Tully - so basically 26 more vessels, need to start being replaced NOW!

Indeed but government does not want to spend the money (either did Conservatives), plus no one dares buy abroad to get vessels quickly.

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monetize with other non-government work

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Re: New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy
« Reply #2551 on: January 30, 2019, 16:19:02 »

 :rofl:

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My sentiments exactly ... but it was, allegedly, the point of the strategy.

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Re: New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy
« Reply #2552 on: January 30, 2019, 17:00:48 »
We only buy used vessels from overseas.

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Re: New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy
« Reply #2553 on: January 31, 2019, 11:19:41 »
We only buy used vessels from overseas.

Interesting observation.

So.

Third party purchases vessel overseas and delivers it to Halifax or Esquimalt under its own power.

RCN takes delivery dockside and pays third party for delivery of a "used" vessel.

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Re: New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy
« Reply #2554 on: January 31, 2019, 11:28:38 »
That would have been the case had the Mistral deal gone through. Likely sailed over here and then refitted with Canadian requirements.

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Re: New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy
« Reply #2555 on: January 31, 2019, 11:31:42 »
It could equally apply to a vessel commissioned by the third party to meet Canadian requirements.  Somebody like Washington Marine Group.  Or Davie. Or FedNav. Or Irving.
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Re: New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy
« Reply #2556 on: January 31, 2019, 16:14:57 »
Anyone else check out the new Seaspan NSS site? Interesting picture of the Diefenbaker:


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Re: New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy
« Reply #2557 on: January 31, 2019, 17:00:08 »
Blackhawks would sure be a nice addition to them...

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Re: New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy
« Reply #2558 on: January 31, 2019, 19:57:10 »
Moonpool eh?

Just the thing for launching UAVs .... and torpedoes.... and mines.
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Re: New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy
« Reply #2559 on: February 18, 2019, 12:39:37 »
Looks to me as if this gov't wants to give a fourth conversion contract to Davie pretty smartly in hope of offsetting SNC-Lavalin fallout in Oct. election (our governments for years have been pathetic in planning for and funding key federal responsibilities such as CAF, CCG and RCMP--problem with last is feds not willing to make provinces pay their full freight for contract policing, not a federal role):
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Canadian Coast Guard seeks input on options for procuring existing light icebreaker

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February 18, 2019 – Gatineau, Quebec – Public Services and Procurement Canada

Through a Request for Information issued today, the Government of Canada is seeking input from the marine industry regarding the procurement of an existing light icebreaking vessel to provide options for filling interim requirements in the Canadian Coast Guard’s delivery of icebreaking services for the St. Lawrence Seaway while others ships in the fleet undergo maintenance.

This vessel will complete the Canadian Coast Guard’s plan to add four interim icebreakers to its fleet. This past summer, the Government of Canada purchased three interim medium icebreakers, which are being converted at Chantier Davie in Levis, Quebec. The first of the three medium icebreakers, the Canadian Coast Guard Ship Captain Molly Kool, was welcomed into the Canadian Coast Guard fleet on December 14, 2018.

Industry has until April 16, 2019, to respond to the Request for Information regarding the procurement of an existing light icebreaker [emphasis added]...
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-services-procurement/news/2019/02/canadian-coast-guard-seeks-input-on-options-for-procuring-existing-light-icebreaker.html

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Re: New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy
« Reply #2560 on: March 05, 2019, 15:56:16 »
Refreshingly frank piece by RADM (ret'd) Ian Mack--but I think this conclusion wrong--there are simply some things we cannot do in any remotely efficient or cost-effective way and hence should not try. But politics and "Jobs! Jobs! Jobs!":

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...Were we launching NSPS today, we could realistically hope to have done better. I have said before that Canada’s continuing prosperity can only grow through national endeavours which are exceptionally difficult by their very nature and which government must routinely nurture, if not manage. Mastery of complex endeavour leadership and execution is not a choice, it is imperative to our future as a nation [emphasis added].

The paper:

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Emerging Lessons from the National Shipbuilding Procurement Strategy
https://www.cgai.ca/emerging_lessons_from_the_national_shipbuilding_procurement_strategy

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Re: New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy
« Reply #2561 on: March 06, 2019, 16:24:17 »
Thanks Mark, that was a good read.

I think part of the problem NSS is going through is the high turnover at the BGH level, as most of the original players from all departments are long gone, and the supporting underlings have all changed out.  There was a big loss of background knowledge and understanding of what the goals were, so it kind of lost the bubble when it was forced into the deliverology foolishness.  Mr. Mack was one of those corporate anchors, so his retirement had a big impact on a few key things drifting off into bureaucratic oblivion.