QV
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What is the general consensus here?
Mandatory COVID-19 Vaccinations for the Federal Public Service and RCMP
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What is the general consensus here?
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I cannot speak for the Public Service, but IMHO, it took waaay too long to make it mandatory for the CAF.
It has been nothing but pain trying to get things done at work while dancing around the “don’t ask, don’t tell vaccination” policy.
If somebody wants to disobey that legal order and test that part of the NDA- let them.
It’ll get grieved, lawsuits will be filed, but while all of those work through the system (and probably amount to nothing) I fully expect some people will see pay and allowances stop in mid November. I expect we’ll see maybe a third to a half of them change their minds right quick once that reality sets in. Salaries and pensions are easy to take for granted, much harder to walk away from.
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It is absolutely the right thing to do. Except in some EXTREMELY RARE circumstances, everyone eligible should and must be vaccinated. It is the road out of this pandemic. It is the safe thing to do. It is the honourable thing to do. It is the kind thing to do.
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Sweeping federal vaccine mandate goes into force Oct. 30 and targets last holdouts
'Simply having a personal conviction that vaccines are bad will not be nearly enough to qualify for an exemption,' Trudeau siad
nationalpost.com
Posting another article. I noted the comments in the comment section from one to the other are very different.
And the contents of the comments sections are, as always, worth exactly what you paid for them.Sweeping federal vaccine mandate goes into force Oct. 30 and targets last holdouts
'Simply having a personal conviction that vaccines are bad will not be nearly enough to qualify for an exemption,' Trudeau siad
Posting another article. I noted the comments in the comment section from one to the other are very different.
This is now something that will be a matter of law, and handled through legal processes. A small proportion of federal employees are going to be bitterly disappointed at the outcome of this.
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Every labour law and human rights expert, including the Ontario Human Rights Commissioner, who I have seen in the media, say that the mandates will survive challenge. As well, there was breakdown I saw - somewhere - on the position of just about every 'mainstream' religion and none cited a faith reason for refusing to be vaccinated.
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For the CAF, it's called unlimited liability... get on with it. I can't see how an argument exists that we can tell someone to charge head-first into certain death, but not take a vaccine that billions of people have taken with no issues.
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Yup, this is happening, and it’s gonna stick.
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Devils Advocate.
As I am sitting here waiting for my offer to get re-tendered because I came in contact with some one that had covid that got it from a fully vaccinated individual and now I need an additional med clearing which is still yet to be approved.
I understand that if I finally get in that CAF will vaccine me and I have no issue with it but I simply don't think the vaccine will solve anything.
Luckily turns out that I am immune to covid or at least I am one of those that were completely asymptomatic not even the sniffles but then again I do not have any comorbidity as the majority of the hospitalized individuals do.
The data is coming in from all over the world. Gibraltar, Israel, Singapore, USA (Vermont) and Sweden and VEARS Database and its not showing a positive outcome for the Vaccine. Some countries are now banning vaccine (Norway, Ontario, Holland)for certain age groups. Vaccine away but I think this is not going to change the pandemic as its more of a political creature then a health one. I think in the end it will be get the vaccine and then get sick to get natural immunity, the goal posts will shift and it will be "learn to live with it".
I think that these mandates will comeback and bite us in the ass as the studies of long term effects are still not finished. There have been lots of medications and vaccines that turned out to be a giant disaster for health of people and these vaccines are still Authorized for Emergencies but not Approved for General usage. Lets hope that this is not the case here, because we all know this will result in massive lawsuits.
In the end I will take the vaccine and I have no issue but I will not pretend that this vaccine will just make the pandemic go away as the data shows Vaccinated people still can get sick and transmit the virus and even some of those individuals will die.
As I am sitting here waiting for my offer to get re-tendered because I came in contact with some one that had covid that got it from a fully vaccinated individual and now I need an additional med clearing which is still yet to be approved.
I understand that if I finally get in that CAF will vaccine me and I have no issue with it but I simply don't think the vaccine will solve anything.
Luckily turns out that I am immune to covid or at least I am one of those that were completely asymptomatic not even the sniffles but then again I do not have any comorbidity as the majority of the hospitalized individuals do.
The data is coming in from all over the world. Gibraltar, Israel, Singapore, USA (Vermont) and Sweden and VEARS Database and its not showing a positive outcome for the Vaccine. Some countries are now banning vaccine (Norway, Ontario, Holland)for certain age groups. Vaccine away but I think this is not going to change the pandemic as its more of a political creature then a health one. I think in the end it will be get the vaccine and then get sick to get natural immunity, the goal posts will shift and it will be "learn to live with it".
I think that these mandates will comeback and bite us in the ass as the studies of long term effects are still not finished. There have been lots of medications and vaccines that turned out to be a giant disaster for health of people and these vaccines are still Authorized for Emergencies but not Approved for General usage. Lets hope that this is not the case here, because we all know this will result in massive lawsuits.
In the end I will take the vaccine and I have no issue but I will not pretend that this vaccine will just make the pandemic go away as the data shows Vaccinated people still can get sick and transmit the virus and even some of those individuals will die.
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A vaccine is never about total immunity. It is about making the virus less lethal, and clearly it is well demonstrated to do that. At least in my province, where I watch the number about 89% of those in hospital with covid are unvaxxed. Those in ICU.... 100% have been unvaxxed. So there is that.
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My problem is that this has been always a political power play and the ever moving goal posts. This is why Vaccines will not solve anything, the pandemic will just continue for political controls. Social Passports are next "health" push whether you like it or not. Pet peeve is that all these powers were delegated to un-elected officials that started ruling via dictates and not laws passed through parliament or legislature.
As a counter if you look at Sweden no mandates and there are no worse off then any other state that did.
shrug I cannot do anything about this, pandemic will go on for as long as it can be milked by the Political parties. Having said that I found the lock downs are great for me personally. shrug
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So I hear this arguement and please, please, tell me which of the many Govt's we have in Canada, and around the world, have gained some sort of power they didn't have before covid. I mean just name one specific....
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Sigh............you are either mis-informed or a troll. If you are mis-informed, please seek other credible sources of info.
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Delegation of Government functions to bureaucrats, ones that we cannot vote out. Coercion of medical procedures. Now passports coming you can add that too. Slow creep of a social credit score and state surveillance.
You are right about what power they gained that they didn't have before covid. Well before covid they would commit political suicide but now they just rule by dictate and people have no alternatives and the complete facade of democracy. I guess the Political Power that has been gained is in the form of Authoritarianism based on moral dictates that dissolved all semblance of rights and privileges. Now that a precedence has been set of Authoritarian rule for your own safety I guarantee the government will have no problem manufacturing more emergencies to Rule over the people by edict. These precedents will get codified into law and judicial and executive branches will enforce.
I doubt any incoming politician will challenge this precedent because there is nothing more permanent then a temporary government measure.
This has been going on for two years and its not getting any better according to every media outlet its getting worse even if the stats show that it is not the case. shrug I tuned out the noise.
I am sure you will disagree with me, then again I was born in a Socialist country these are the same type of political maneuvers the Communists and Marxists used to rule by edict over people.
These are my observation based on previous experiences, I doubt we will have the same perceptions. Again these are my observations, and musings from a Civilian that was born and raised in a different culture and a political system.
*shrug*Mandate away and nothing will change and the pandemic will continue. Just more of the same political noise and ramblings of you are killing Grandma moral bashing. I don't mind nor care.
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What are those sources, take mere seconds to look for CDC, various government medical info etc. I looked at them. If I am misinformed would you kindly correct me with the Laws that were passed that we required these measures for the last two years. Any way moot point. Nothing is going to change. Government will government away.
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So,...nothing then?
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Wheeeeeee, an opinion follows...
Fact phase:
More opinion.
I think your problem is your opinion.
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There is likely a small but vocal percentage of the PS who will either neglect to report thier vax status on the new self- reporting tool or refuse to get vaxed on personal conviction. They will eventually acquiesce to Trudeau's edict or find themselves unemployed, ineligible for EI and heroes of the anti-vax movement. Perhaps this is the beginning of DRAP 2.0 whereby the PS self-culls.
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