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That's another possibility. Something is definitely not kosher here. Have we sailed together?  :nod: That was the unofficial motto of HMCS Vancouver.

4 hours at 480 Knots. That would make it 2200 miles. I was just reading a few other reports that it's now looking like the aircraft systems continued to report for up to 5 hours. Not once did they report a system failure which is exactly what you would expect in a crash. There's definitely...

Actually, a jet hitting the water does make a huge mess. The debris field would usually consist of seat cushions, PFDs, personal items, bodies, structural components (especially with modern materials). When an airliner hits the water at a high rate of speed it literal explodes. Unless you...

I know this may sound implausible but what if the airliner were flown to Somalia? There would be no wreckage. The 777 does have the range. Somalia has little to no government to speak of. The pirates have stolen ships right out of major ports before. Airliners don't just disappear without a...

Nope. We do have AMSups there though. You'll need to be a Warrant Officer for one of those positions. Trenton is just down the road though and Petawawa isn't too far away either.

Not only that but we also lose the ability to build new ones... just like the boat we're n now.

Pat, I believe that is the intent. I certainly hope it works because it would be fantastic for our country. However, like any other industry, if you can't get your costs under control your product will not be financially feasible. The current trend on our various ship programs show this is a...

There always is...

Agreed. There are a few options to have the responsible party pay for it. As a Sr NCO I'd be considering something a little more disciplinary in nature. Either way, that unit has a bigger problem than just a hole in a wall.

My feeling is it's a JR's as well. It may even be a reserve unit. The point is when you accept a position on a mess exec it comes with responsibility. Keeping it running and financially healthy is a big part of that. I also agree that replacing the committee every time something is broken would...

That's about where it should be. Now multiply that by 100 members and it's a good start.

Then a solution needs to be found. A mess IS a business. If raising dues isn't an option then as the executive it's your job to find another way to fund it. Also, if you think $30-$50 a year is too much then I suggest you look and see what all other messes in the CF are charging. You're getting...

You have your answers and they are the correct ones. You have a far larger problem. You're telling us that your mess doesn't have an account large enough to cover a measly $3100? Spending this money will cripple your mess for this year and next? Son, it's time you looked long and hard at your...

3 of my favorite ports. It would be a perfect list if you added Manila... 25 cent beers, English speaking girls who love Canadians, and cheap electronics, running shoes, etc.

Look how high she's riding in the water. Her Screw is almost showing. That'll make her corkscrew thru the water as they tow her. That isn't going to be a pleasant ride but at least they'll be in Pearl in a couple of days. Thank-you to our good friends in the USN.

That's one BAB (Big Ass Boat).  :salute:

Ain't that the truth. Over a month in Singapore... if we stayed any longer they would've had to give us green cards. Nice place to be stranded though.

To pay off a ship means to retire it.

I couldn't agree with you more. However, with an election approaching the whole National Shipbuilding concept may suffer the same fate as the original SeaKing replacement contract "with a stroke of my pen". There needs to be focus kept on this issue to keep it from fading away along wit our Blue...

I think it's fair to say, if the repair cost of the Oiler is too high she'll be paid-off. If I were paying the bill I wouldn't put any more money into her than absolutely necessary.