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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

      Really ....care to elaborate on that ? ...For what its worth i doubt there even was a bid. Do they now....well why dont you tell me what those corners might be instead of that tired old nebulous "commercial spec" (false)argument. I know there are a couple of details of the Huitfeldt...
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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

    And maybe to a greater extent the budget available .... AD missiles are expensive and very few nations have inventories large enough to fill all available launchers anyway.
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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

    IF that was true , it begs the question whether these advanced air defense systems is actually worth the obscene amount of money invested in them. If all it takes to overwhelm these systems is a few $1-2M missiles, then it puts the viability and utility of surface warships seriously into...
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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

    Well technically they could have delivered a bid and just not announced it yet ....however i would not be surprised if they had decided not to bid at all. I think there is a good chance that they have really been out of the running for years.....It was always questionable whether OMT would be...
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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

    Alright i'll give it a shot....I'll admit when i first heard the claim from a USN officer on a cross-pol EX, i too was sceptical. But then i asked our own AAW experts (aboard HDMS Absalon) ...and they said the same thing. Later , on a visit to the Danish Navy's weapon center, they too confirmed...
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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

    No you are right....my bad...it must have been the voices in my head  ;D Its quite interesting that it has received a lot of criticism back in the UK for being too conventional and unambitious in its design. Aside from the ludicrously expensive automated loading system for the mk45 gun i must...
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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

    Well BAE themselves quote the T-26 as being  6900 metric tonnes. I think the 6000 tonnes was for the previous design proposal which was a smaller vessel ~25 ft shorter than the current version. Now the 8000 tonnes displacement number has not been officially confirmed by either BAE or the RN ...
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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

    Yes....and the T26 design is, at best, a whopping 4 years newer.....hardly a generational quantum leap that is. With that line of thinking you will never get a new surface combatant. Even if you started on a brand new warship design today, it would still be more than a decade old by the time it...
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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

    Ahh....but if you wait another 15-20 years to pick  a CSC design ,there will be even newer and cutting edgier warships to choose from  ;)....clever clever ;D Sorry, but that is simply not true ....The Italian and French FREMMs were launched in 2011/2010, so were the Iver Huitfeldts and TKMS is...
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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

    The question is if there is any choice?.....rumor has it that Raytheon has already issued a "last buy" notice on SM-2 missiles....ie they are ending production. Leaving only ESSM block 2,  SM-6 and SM-3 in their portfolio.  As to the veracity of the rumor...i have no idea*, but it would make...
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    New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

    Just to play the devils advocate here , the counter-argument might be that the US Navy has actual and recent naval combat experience. Whereas (continental) European navies.....not so much.
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    New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

    Ahh...i see ....all about the (‿ˠ‿) ..eh!  ;D
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    New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

    :goodpost: Though its not exactly the most flattering pictures.....the Absalon in particular looks like an overweight car ferry from that angle ;D
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    New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

    It might be a bit of national bias showing here so forgive me , but i dont think you can really classify the T26,s Mission Bay as a flex "deck"... its more like an enlarged boat hangar. With an embarked helicopter and the standard 2 rhibs carried, it only has space for what...two 20' ISO...
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    New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

    Bingo!.. :) Well....there are really two issues here.....one is structural, the other revolves around stability.  Structurally speaking the forward A mount and surrounding deck is designed for the weight of the MK45, while the B mount is built to handle the 76mm gun. So structurally there are...
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    New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

    First of...thank you for a well thought out and reasonable response to my posts, the wording of which was needlessly hostile and confrontational....it was uncalled for and for that i apologize. Good point and i broadly agree.....however it must be said that modifying an existing design is...
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    New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

    Oh and OGBD ....before you try to discredit me again by alluding to my army past , i would like to point out that ..yes ..i was a Lance Corporal in the Danish Army and a technician by trade , working mostly on tanks (Leo 1 and 2 ) . But then i went and got myself a degree in marine engineering...
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    New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

    Rubbish !!....While its true that the Absalon class uses a lower grade base steel than the Huitfeldts, around all of the vital areas of the vessel , ie the CIC, weapons deck, ammo stores, engine control room , bridge , guns etc they use the same thicker armor steel ( ARMOX) as the...
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    Arctic/Offshore Patrol Ship AOPS

    Nope......we have never used digital camo......the pattern you saw was most likely this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M84_camouflage_pattern A "flecktarn" based camouflage which from a distance could well be mistaken for CADPAT. We have since completely transitioned to MultiCam (Arid version).
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    Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

    RE the Type 26 : http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/3d64c74a-c94e-4864-9d3d-446e57500a29 In written form : http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/defence-committee/naval-procurement-type-26-and-type-45/oral/35261.html Excerpt from above : The...
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