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A Deeply Fractured US

Fishbone Jones

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Read today the dems have a team working on immigration changes that they want to put into the bill. Schumer thinks they can pass it without the GOP. As Pelosi so famously said about a behemoth bill some time ago, "You have to pass it first, to find out what's in it."
 

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Read today the dems have a team working on immigration changes that they want to put into the bill. Schumer thinks they can pass it without the GOP. As Pelosi so famously said about a behemoth bill some time ago, "You have to pass it first, to find out what's in it."
The Consolidated Appropriations Act 2021 holds the record as the longest bill passed by Congress at a tidy 5,593 pages.

o_O

I doubt if anyone in Congress read it even after it was passed.

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This doesn't help with the fracture. Is the Biden administration signaling it will look after those who act like McCabe did?


Former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe was un-fired when the Department of Justice (DOJ) - now firmly under a Democratic administration - agreed to settle with McCabe by fully restoring his FBI pension and removing all records from his FBI personnel file that indicate he was fired for cause.

The agreement does not change the findings of DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz that McCabe lied under oath to investigators on three occasions; it simply eliminates all consequences for doing so...

...The details of McCabe's misdeeds that led to his firing are well known. He claims he was a victim of a vindictive President Trump, but he lied under oath to inspector general investigators, according to Horowitz, and that sealed his fate. Lying - or "lack of candor," as it is referred to in the bureau - is a fireable offense since it makes an FBI agent an impeachable witness and obliterates his or her ability to testify under oath in court. In effect, the capacity of an agent to function is lost. All agents know well the risk that lying has on their career.

...By agreeing to rescind all references to his firing from his personnel record, the DOJ has established a double standard, one for regular agents and one for protected agents. Since McCabe's firing was easily defensible, this inexplicable settlement by Merrick Garland's DOJ takes on the odor of a reward for misusing the authorities of the FBI against a political enemy of the Democratic Party.
 

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...The book in which Walter looks at those risk factors in the US, How Civil Wars Start, will be published in January. According to the Post, she writes: “No one wants to believe that their beloved democracy is in decline, or headed toward war.

But “if you were an analyst in a foreign country looking at events in America – the same way you’d look at events in Ukraine or Ivory Coast or Venezuela – you would go down a checklist, assessing each of the conditions that make civil war likely”.

“And what you would find is that the United States, a democracy founded more than two centuries ago, has entered very dangerous territory.”

Walter, the Post said, concludes that the US has passed through stages of “pre-insurgency” and “incipient conflict” and may now be in “open conflict”, beginning with the Capitol riot.

 

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I think there are alot people in the western hemisphere who want a civil war. I read the article and it seems to me to be one of those.

While the Capitol Hill riot was interesting, it definitely didn't spark an open armed revolt. Very anti Republican article.

The US has problems, so do we, but go around and world and see what's going on in the real war torn states. We're far from that.

And the Dems should deeply fear another Civil war. I find it hard to be believe they would have much to fight with as I see the vast majority of military pers and hardware going off to the opposition. Not to mention private firearm ownership is heavily slanted to the Republicans.
 

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And the Dems should deeply fear another Civil war. I find it hard to be believe they would have much to fight with as I see the vast majority of military pers and hardware going off to the opposition. Not to mention private firearm ownership is heavily slanted to the Republicans.
Maybe not for point 1:

In 2020, however, the military’s skew towards the Republican party was believed to have swayed. According to Guy Snodgrass in an article by Bloomberg, “The military’s lean for the Republican Party has shifted during the Trump administration, especially for those with knowledge of the administration’s actions regarding intelligence, military, and foreign affairs.”

The Military Times poll for this year saw a drop of 46 percent in 2017 to 38 percent in 2020, for active-duty personnel favoring a Republican candidate (Here, Trump).

Another source: Jon Soltz, who is an Army and founder of VoteVets—a 700,000-member progressive-leaning veterans’ political advocacy organization shares “The idea that veterans and military are heavily Republican is not true anymore.”

Many military leaders have publicly denounced Trump, who represented the Republican party during this time. This is taken as an indicator for “fewer conservatives” or at least the decline of predominant conservative thoughts in the military by many.

The term “denounce” is explicitly demonstrated in a letter signed by 780 former military officers, including retired Air Force General Paul Selva, former Defense Secretaries Ash Carter and Chuck Hagel, etc.

 

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Makes sense... to someone I guess:


Donald Trump said he got a booster shot and his supporters booed.​


Former President Donald J. Trump, who for years falsely claimed vaccines were dangerous and pointedly declined to be seen getting vaccinated against Covid-19 while in office, was booed at an event in Dallas after saying publicly for the first time that he had received a booster shot.

Mr. Trump was in Texas on Sunday as part of a speaking tour with Bill O’Reilly, the author and former Fox News host, when Mr. O’Reilly said that both he and Mr. Trump “are vaxxed.”

Mr. O’Reilly then asked, “Did you get the booster?”

“Yes,” Mr. Trump said.

“I got it too,” Mr. O’Reilly said.

The crowd began to boo, according to a video distributed by one of Mr. O’Reilly’s social media accounts.

“Don’t, don’t, don’t, don’t,” Mr. Trump said, waving his arm to dismiss the naysayers and downplaying the size of the reaction by pointing to what he said was “a very tiny group over there.”

The exchange comes as the rapidly spreading Omicron variant has fueled a sharp rise in new cases and hospitalizations, with several states mobilizing the National Guard to help with hospital staffing shortages. Omicron is now the dominant version of new coronavirus cases in the United States, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Vaccinated people without booster shots are believed to be more vulnerable to infection by Omicron, and government officials nationwide say boosters are the best response to the new variant.

Just before the booing, Mr. Trump said that his supporters should get vaccinated because, he suggested, unwillingness to do so represented a victory for liberals. “What we’ve done is historic,” he said of the three Covid vaccines in use in the United States that were developed while he was in office. “Don’t let them take away, don’t take it away from ourselves. You’re playing right into their hands when you sort of like, ‘oh, the vaccine.’”

 

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The US might be closer to civil war, but a miniscule increase of a miniscule percentage doesn't amount to much.

[Add: Kind of like the ad nauseum claims that the US is inching closer towards authoritarianism, despite still having free elections for a bewildering array of positions and a free press and constitutionally-enumerated rights and legislators and judges that don't always do what the executive wants and oceans of lobbyists and activists.]
 
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COVID a death rates are much higher in areas that support him.

But it doesn’t matter why. Good for him for encouraging vaccinations.

The thing is though…Trump followers are not getting vaccinated. Not because of Trump. They likely would not have before he came along either. Just that Trump and others spoke to their already held beliefs.

We’ll see if we see an uptick or if he just gets booed by that side more.
 

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Ah, yes.

Donald Trump said he got a booster shot and his supporters booed.​

versus:

Donald Trump said he got a booster shot and some supporters booed.​

 

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Ah, yes.

Donald Trump said he got a booster shot and his supporters booed.​

versus:

Donald Trump said he got a booster shot and some supporters booed.​

"A very tiny group" according to Trump's take in the article?
 

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Large, small, tiny ... I don't care. Bias begins in the headlines and only gets worse from there.
 

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For a look ahead as to what it may, or may not, be like,


 

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What is it with presidents (Biden, Trump) and wanting to shoot people in the leg?
 

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What is it with presidents (Biden, Trump) and wanting to shoot people in the leg?
That’s non-cops generally. Everyone has this silly idea that in dangerous situation police can just shoot people in the legs and it’ll be better. Shrug it’s dumb.
 

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I suppose what is needed are those pistol round that gain kinetic energy in flight and knock the target flying for 3 or 4 metres.
 
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