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All things Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

Brad Sallows

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I concur with your assessment, the evidence increasingly points to a lab leak. How the West and others outside of China's sphere of influence deals with this will be interesting to monitor.

Best political principle to follow is "fix problem, not blame". Agree to new moratoria and standards, and to sanctions to be placed against those who do not follow. Set a (short - weeks, months) grace period for countries to comply before applying the latter. Then execute.
 

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Current Best political principle to follow is "fix problem, not blame". Agree to new moratoria and standards, and to sanctions to be placed against those who do not follow. Set a (short - weeks, months) grace period for countries to comply before applying the latter. Then execute.
FTFY.
 

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Small study, observational only and not peer reviewed.

A clinical trial by NIH showed no benefit: Hydroxychloroquine does not benefit adults hospitalized with COVID-19

And an article in The Lancet stated "available evidence does not support the use of this medication in the prevention or treatment of COVID-19."
Hydroxychloroquine in the prevention of COVID-19 mortality

Just remember, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Oh, and the day I take advice (medical or otherwise) from the likes of Trump, MTG or Twitter will be a very cold day in hell. ;)

The observations study shows significant promise. And one of the authors is engaged in comments at the bottom, very interesting.

Oh and PMedMoe don't worry Trump wasn't a part of it, only infectious disease experts.
 

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The observations study shows significant promise. And one of the authors is engaged in comments at the bottom, very interesting.
I still stand by what I said; prevention is better than a cure.
 

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There is a lot of conflicting information and expert opinion around, and no easy way to sort out what is right or wrong.

But that is science - opposing theories and their eventual validation or elimination, followed by the rise of new theories.

"Consensus" is unscientific. Suppression of opposing theories by media and politicians, and self-protective cover-up, is unhealthy.

And then there is the possibility that the Wall Street Journal reporter simply misquoted. Many media errors and inaccuracies are innocent mistakes. Most reporters cover a large variety of topics and cannot reasonably be expected to be an expert in, or have the time and ability to understand even a small part of, any particular one. Some are irretrievably biased and plain wrong, but most are doing their level best.

I have often e-mailed reporters and columnists to gently point out innocent errors or provide more insight, and frequently been thanked.
If you like the flavour of nefarious dealings related to viruses and who was involved, when, where and with whom, there's always the nexus of the PLA and agents/researchers of the CCP operating within Canada's highest-classified National Microbiology Lab. Interesting that Canada was sending Ebola and other viruses directly to the Wuhan Institute of Virology back in 2019...

Whereabouts of two scientists fired from Winnipeg virus lab for possible national-security issues shrouded in mystery

Imagine if there was ever a causal link developed between NML and WIV related to SARS-CoV2? 🤔
 

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If you like the flavour of nefarious dealings related to viruses and who was involved, when, where and with whom, there's always the nexus of the PLA and agents/researchers of the CCP operating within Canada's highest-classified National Microbiology Lab. Interesting that Canada was sending Ebola and other viruses directly to the Wuhan Institute of Virology back in 2019...

Whereabouts of two scientists fired from Winnipeg virus lab for possible national-security issues shrouded in mystery

Imagine if there was ever a causal link developed between NML and WIV related to SARS-CoV2? 🤔

And another article on the subj.
 

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What do you all make of this?

Research for impact | E-BMC
Urgent Yellow Card Report: https://b3d2650e-e929-4448-a527-4ee...d/593c4f_b2acdef3774b4e9ca06e9fae526fd5cd.pdf

"The MHRA now has more than enough evidence on the Yellow Card system to declare the COVID-19 vaccines unsafe for use in humans. Preparation should be made to scale up humanitarian efforts to assist those harmed by the COVID-19 vaccines and to anticipate and ameliorate medium to longer term effects"

If this is true we (the world) have big problems, if it isn't true then should the authors have big legal problems?


God damn the world is full of crazy shit right now.
 

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I eagerly await the results of an investigation into that (the NML) affair. It should not have taken this long.

Perhaps the Liberals are still stuck trying to find a way to blame that Evil Harper.
 

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They'll just drop the "R" word, and that will end the discussion.
 

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"The MHRA now has more than enough evidence on the Yellow Card system to declare the COVID-19 vaccines unsafe for use in humans. Preparation should be made to scale up humanitarian efforts to assist those harmed by the COVID-19 vaccines and to anticipate and ameliorate medium to longer term effects"
I'm guessing the Yellow Card system is much like VAERS and anyone can submit a report. But, it's not like Dr. Tess Lawrie hasn't been wrong before.
 

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I'm guessing the Yellow Card system is much like VAERS and anyone can submit a report. But, it's not like Dr. Tess Lawrie hasn't been wrong before.

That's exactly what it is. It's pretty much the UK version of VAERS. The data is being misinterpreted intentionally to stoke vaccine fears so Dr. Tess Lawrie can peddle Ivermectin. More dangerous nonsense. She's constantly propped up by Epoch Times which should tell you all you need to know about her.

Straight from the UK Government website.

The Yellow Card scheme is a mechanism by which anybody can voluntarily report any suspected adverse reactions or side effects to the vaccine. It is very important to note that a Yellow Card report does not necessarily mean the vaccine caused that reaction or event. We ask for any suspicions to be reported, even if the reporter isn’t sure if it was caused by the vaccine. Reports to the scheme are known as suspected adverse reactions (ADRs).

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That's exactly what it is. It's pretty much the UK version of VAERS. The data is being misinterpreted intentionally to stoke vaccine fears so Dr. Tess Lawrie can peddle Ivermectin. More dangerous nonsense. She's constantly propped up by Epoch Times which should tell you all you need to know about her.
Thanks.
 

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If you like the flavour of nefarious dealings related to viruses and who was involved, when, where and with whom, there's always the nexus of the PLA and agents/researchers of the CCP operating within Canada's highest-classified National Microbiology Lab. Interesting that Canada was sending Ebola and other viruses directly to the Wuhan Institute of Virology back in 2019...

Whereabouts of two scientists fired from Winnipeg virus lab for possible national-security issues shrouded in mystery

Imagine if there was ever a causal link developed between NML and WIV related to SARS-CoV2? 🤔
What in the actual f**k are PLA scientists doing in our labs? If they are employed by the PLA, paid by the PLA, and obviously serving the PLA -- why in the hell are they here, in our labs, accessing whatever we have going on in them? How many things does China have to do to convey they are NOT our friend?


I imagine the Soviet era KGB is rolling in it's grave with their mouths gaped open in amazement, like "Wait...all we had to do was ask?" 🤦‍♂️
 

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“Hey there Canada...

we’re going to hoard and steal a lot of your PPE right before the world notices there’s a global pandemic. Sorry in advance.

Oh? You’re short on PPE? Funny enough, we have some extra! We’ll send it to you because we are such good friends!

Plane arrived empty? Oofff, sorry about that. Our bad. Thanks for agreeing to pay for the flight though. 🖕

Ah yes, your two Michaels. What about them? Yes they are locked in a prison, with lights on 24hrs a day, with no contact allowed with consular officials or legal counsel. It’s only fair we lock up these two citizens who aren’t charged with crimes.... I mean you DID arrest one of ours on a warrant, and are letting her stay in a mansion.

Political prisoners? No no no. The timing is just coincidence...

Oh, and just incase you didn’t get how serious we are, we are blocking trade on some agricultural products of yours. No real reason why, other than to make you realize your mistake. Tsk tsk...


Btw, sorry about trying to infiltrate your local, provincial, and federal governments. How else do we ensure Chinese companies are awarded contracts if we don’t have some influence in your sovereign decisions?

Did you just say out loud that the virus that’s decimated the world in a lot of ways escaped a lab that studies that kind of virus? That’s racist!!

Remember - a dude eating a bat is responsible for killing MILLIONS of people, not our research on deadly viruses... might have to block that trade with you again. Smarten up.

Also, please don’t block our companies from building and managing your 5G networks. We would love to manufacture the circuits, software, and hardware that your country’s 5G network would reply on.

Much easier to keep you in line when we control whether communications work or not... get it?

Also, if that scares you and you want to control your own networks, that’s just racist. Might have to put both Michaels on death row. (We aren’t holding them as political leverage at all, hence making them political prisons. We would never do that.)


BTW - and this is from the heart. Thank You so much for allowing our scientists - trained, employed, and paid for by the PLA - access to your highly classified virus research. You are too kind to us. Literally.

And wait, did you just question us declaring ourselves a near Arctic nation? As you can clearly see, China is just as close to the Arctic as the other nations on this list. You’re just being racist again... you like trade disruptions, EH? One of those Michaels might just need to be put on death row now...

Must be going now - we have an entire planet to influence, manage, spy on, and infiltrate. Busy bee over here!!

Thank you JT for being so accommodating to us, and for not causing a stink when you do catch us meddling in your affairs in some pretty sketchy ways. The access to the lab was a big one, usually we have to infiltrate labs with spies - thank you for saving us the hassle.


Let us know if you need anything, we’ll be happy to use your request against you somehow.


Much Love,
China”



What else can China really do?

Kidnap our citizens? Done. Block random trade? Done.

Support cyber espionage against critical infrastructure & government agencies? Done.

Infiltrate our governments to influence or coerce our decisions? Done.

Infiltrate post secondary institutions? Done. (Have fun dealing with all the highly opinionated 21yo SJWs)


PLA scientists shouldn’t have been allowed anywhere near any of our labs. We don’t let harmless Bob down the road near them, why the f**k is the PLA allowed in them?

PLA wants to do a winter warfare course here? Why? They have winter in China too. Maybe it isn’t about a 2 week winter warfare course, maybe it’s about what base the course would be hosted at.... ever think of that??

(Don’t worry, it took about 5 seconds for the folks on Army.ca to find many reasons why it may be a bad idea. Doing your thinking for you, for free. What does the government pay for a “this is obviously a stupid decision” advisor?

<Mind boggled rant over> sorry mods, just had to vent
 

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Interesting COVID related reading:

From the Lancet



 

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Pierre Kory is an American critical care physician who gained attention during the COVID-19 pandemic for advocating widespread use of unproven drugs as treatments. Kory testified in front of the U.S. Senate twice regarding COVID-19. During his testimony on December 8, 2020, Kory erroneously claimed that the antiparasitic medication invermectin was a "wonder drug" with "miraculous effectiveness" against COVID-19.

Is this the same paper?
 

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Pierre Kory is an American critical care physician who gained attention during the COVID-19 pandemic for advocating widespread use of unproven drugs as treatments. Kory testified in front of the U.S. Senate twice regarding COVID-19. During his testimony on December 8, 2020, Kory erroneously claimed that the antiparasitic medication invermectin was a "wonder drug" with "miraculous effectiveness" against COVID-19.

Is this the same paper?

I can't think of any reason why a low cost therapeutic that's been around for decades would be shut down and demonized in todays media. Oh, wait... huge money. "Unproven"... isn't that ironic.

When in history has censorship ever proven to be the correct and just course of action? And more to the point, scientific censorship?

For those interested in some critical thought, listen to Brett Weinstein host Dr. Kory and discuss the COVID issue here: ‎Bret Weinstein | DarkHorse Podcast: COVID, Ivermectin, and the Crime of the Century: DarkHorse Podcast with Pierre Kory & Bret Weinstein on Apple Podcasts


From the Covid19 Critical Care site I linked above here is some of what they state on the "unproven" ivermectin:

"...since its development 40 years ago, has already demonstrated its ability to make historic impacts on global health, given it led to the eradication of a “pandemic” of parasitic diseases across multiple continents. These impacts are what awarded the discoverers of ivermectin the 2015 Nobel prize in Medicine.

More recently, profound anti-viral and anti-inflammatory properties of ivermectin have been identified. In COVID-19 specifically, studies show that one of its several anti-viral properties is that it strongly binds to the spike protein, keeping the virus from entering the cell. These effects, along with its multiple abilities to control inflammation, both explain the markedly positive trial results already reported, and poise ivermectin to again achieve similar historic impacts via the eradication of COVID-19."
 
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