All things Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

[Fishbone Jones]

Like any other modern marketing efforts, whether you're selling soap or Exocets, release the (AI) hounds...

This has not been done well, IIRC, up to this pojnt of course because: government sucks at marketing:

How Could Digital Tools Help Fight Against Anti-Vaccination?​

How can digital health tools outside the realm of communication and social media platforms help? Well, there are quite a few ways to bring health technology into the fight against anti-vaxxers; but we have a couple of ideas for the developers too.

Sophisticated algorithms could play a role in addressing vaccine hesitancy. Just as Amazon and Netflix are adept at suggesting products and movies that ‘people like you’ might enjoy, health systems could build individually tailored messages most likely to resonate with individuals.

Artificial intelligence could also bring a helping hand in determining vaccine side effects from those who have already received their jab. This is what A.I. company Genpact is doing in the U.K. Their machine learning algorithm screens patient reports for patterns that could show signs of a possible issue. This can subsequently allow healthcare authorities to further investigate the case. This could help clear any false claims while also raising awareness of the actual side effects that one could experience.

Alternatively, innovative solutions could provide new opportunities to inform those at risk that they should be vaccinated. This could be, for example, via SMS alerts and reminders of dedicated health apps. Others are crowdsourcing data to build reliable online resources to help those eligible find a vaccination centre.

How Could Digital Tools Help Fight Against Anti-Vaccination? - The Medical Futurist

Here’s our collection of the most recent steps and digital tools supporting the fight against anti-vaccination and its believers.

medicalfuturist.com

Sounds like FB Fact checkers

 

[Quirky]

"Most people" were fed up at the very start.....but "most people" are responsible enough to know the difference between what's good for society and what's good for that small percentage of whiny sniveling self-serving morons.

There aren’t enough vaccines to save all the obese and/or old people with health conditions. The only morons are the people who keep pushing restrictions and the morons who keep thinking it’s a good idea. Get another booster in between your self-administered Covid test.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Nick Cordero......he'd kick your ass in every fitness, wellness, and being a decent human being category there is.

Tell his widow and young son what a big tough man you are.....

 

[brihard]

Nick Cordero......he'd kick your ass in every fitness, wellness, and being a decent human being category there is.

Tell his widow and young son what a big tough man you are.....

If delivering physical beatings is a criteria, I’ll see that and raise Frederick Sinistra.

 

[PuckChaser]

The best way to bring an end to lock-downs is for everyone to get vaccinated

So, what data and science do you have to back that up? 50% of Ontario's ICU for COVID19 is unvaccinated. That's 290 of the 580 people. If vaccination lowers the risk of serious illness by roughly 80%, that means there would still be 58 of those folks in ICU, to go with the 580 vaccinated individuals for a total of 348. When the lockdown in Ontario began on 5 Jan 2022, Ontario's ICUs had 285 people. So a 100% vaccinated population in Ontario would buy, what, 2 or 3 more days of freedom?

Vaccination doesn't even stop the spread. The cases per 100K in Ontario curves for vaccinated vs non-vaccinated folks moved identically as we hit the peak detected case levels. In fact, those vaccinated folks were significantly more likely to not be symptomatic so the spread is estimated to be at least double, but more likely 4 fold the reported number.

All of this doesn't mean vaccines don't work. They reduce severity, that's it. We've basically been told they're a miracle cure, and that if you wanna get back to normal you need to be vaccinated. The data clearly shows that Canada is a one-trick pony for COVID-19, in that in the face of any increase in case loads we lock people out of their jobs and social connections in a frenzied panic to hope after the 4th or 5th time it'll finally work. Canada is third behind only Japan and South Korea in the G20 for vaccination uptake and we're still beating the drum of demonizing unvaccinated folks like they're a leper colony and in a perpetual cycle of lockdowns.

It's ok, you can admit it: Vaccines don't stop the spread, vaccine passports are completely useless and we won't vaccinate our way out of this.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Nick Cordero......he'd kick your ass in every fitness, wellness, and being a decent human being category there is.

Tell his widow and young son what a big tough man you are.....

If delivering physical beatings is a criteria, I’ll see that and raise Frederick Sinistra.

Is this where we are? Advocating violence against a poster because of their opinion, no matter how wrong or offensive you judge him, because of your own biased opinion?

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Is this where we are? Advocating violence against a poster because of their opinion, no matter how wrong or offensive you judge him, because of your own biased opinion?

Oh come on. ....nice try lad. You're attempt to infer that is as easy to read as a Montreal Canadian's pass....

 

[Quirky]

Is this where we are? Advocating violence against a poster because of their opinion, no matter how wrong or offensive you judge him, because of your own biased opinion?

When your biggest worry in life is the next pension cheque, you can parrot endless restrictions and lockdowns to protect the same people.

The mental and financial well-being of the countries workforce has been completely ignored for two years. The elderly and compromised have their vaccines. Done. Move on with life. Covid at this point with vaccines is no more a risk to life than driving a car. Isolating people who are healthy, vaccinated but positive with Covid is completely insane.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

So, what data and science do you have to back that up? 50% of Ontario's ICU for COVID19 is unvaccinated. That's 290 of the 580 people. If vaccination lowers the risk of serious illness by roughly 80%, that means there would still be 58 of those folks in ICU, to go with the 580 vaccinated individuals for a total of 348. When the lockdown in Ontario began on 5 Jan 2022, Ontario's ICUs had 285 people. So a 100% vaccinated population in Ontario would buy, what, 2 or 3 more days of freedom?

Vaccination doesn't even stop the spread. The cases per 100K in Ontario curves for vaccinated vs non-vaccinated folks moved identically as we hit the peak detected case levels. In fact, those vaccinated folks were significantly more likely to not be symptomatic so the spread is estimated to be at least double, but more likely 4 fold the reported number.

All of this doesn't mean vaccines don't work. They reduce severity, that's it. We've basically been told they're a miracle cure, and that if you wanna get back to normal you need to be vaccinated. The data clearly shows that Canada is a one-trick pony for COVID-19, in that in the face of any increase in case loads we lock people out of their jobs and social connections in a frenzied panic to hope after the 4th or 5th time it'll finally work. Canada is third behind only Japan and South Korea in the G20 for vaccination uptake and we're still beating the drum of demonizing unvaccinated folks like they're a leper colony and in a perpetual cycle of lockdowns.

It's ok, you can admit it: Vaccines don't stop the spread, vaccine passports are completely useless and we won't vaccinate our way out of this.

Social distancing doesn't stop airborne viruses
Masks, unless properly fit tested N95, don't stop transmission.
Quarantines don't stop transmission
Vax passport don't stop transmission
Lockdowns don't stop transmission
Vaccinations don't stop transmissions
Standing in a restaurant, mandated to wear a mask changes to no mask when sitting. Do viruses not exist below five feet?

Yet evertime one of those things was trotted out we were told that the medical experts all agreed that if we just do what we're told and use these measures we can beat this thing. Why? Because according to them, the science is settled.

-BUT-

"So next time someone tries to end a discussion by asserting that the science is settled, remember these three things. Number 1: We never stop learning. Science is never settled because there is always more to know. Number 2: The scientific consensus is frequently wrong. From mercury, to bloodletting, to germ theory, the scientific consensus has been wrong many times. Willingness to question the consensus is how we learn. And Number 3: Scientists are just as capable of bias as anyone else. Science isn’t an algorithm. It’s a process full of people. As long as people are imperfect, science will be too.
The Science is Settled - What Would You Say

 

[kev994]

Social distancing doesn't stop airborne viruses
Masks, unless properly fit tested N95, don't stop transmission.
Quarantines don't stop transmission
Vax passport don't stop transmission
Lockdowns don't stop transmission
Vaccinations don't stop transmissions

Yet evertime one of those things was trotted out we were told that the medical experts all agreed that if we just do what we're told and use these measures we can beat this thing. Why? Because according to them, the science is settled.

-BUT-

Nobody ever said we were wearing masks to ‘stop’ transmission. Mitigating was always the goal.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

The mental and financial well-being of the countries workforce has been completely ignored for two years.

I guess I could be like you but just change it too "screw the fact your brain is weak and you're poor", but that would be wrong.

Social distancing doesn't stop airborne viruses
Masks, unless properly fit tested N95, don't stop transmission.
Quarantines don't stop transmission
Vax passport don't stop transmission
Lockdowns don't stop transmission
Vaccinations don't stop transmissions

Yet evertime one of those things was trotted out we were told that the medical experts all agreed that if we just do what we're told and use these measures we can beat this thing. Why? Because according to them, the science is settled.

-BUT-

So many wrongs in one post....the actual reason is to get us through this thing, not "beat it.
All those things work to lower transmission, that's been the goal since day one.....you could actually look it up.

Question....did we "beat" the Spanish Flu epidemic or was it just tired of killing us??


EDIT:....funny thing is, as I've said before, I agree it's time to start opening up and getting on with it. Doesn't mean we have to do it going full blown moron

 

[McG]

So, what data and science do you have to back that up? 50% of Ontario's ICU for COVID19 is unvaccinated. That's 290 of the 580 people. If vaccination lowers the risk of serious illness by roughly 80%, that means there would still be 58 of those folks in ICU, to go with the 580 vaccinated individuals for a total of 348. When the lockdown in Ontario began on 5 Jan 2022, Ontario's ICUs had 285 people. So a 100% vaccinated population in Ontario would buy, what, 2 or 3 more days of freedom?

Your numbers don’t seem to match what the province has published, but the 50/50 split is still roughly there.

So, sticking with your numbers, an 80% reduction in 50% of a population is a 40% reduction of the whole. That is not insignificant. Remember, restrictions are imposed knowing that hospitals need to preserve space for all those people choosing not to take the steps that will keep them out of ICU. 40% goes a long way to delaying or avoiding increased restrictions. 40% goes a long way to delaying or avoiding the burn-out of medical professionals who have been working their asses off to keep people live. 40% goes a long way to preserving lives by allowing the continued provision of life saving “elective surgeries.” 40% goes a long way to delaying or avoiding the deployment of soldiers (away from their families) to backstop a system that has crashed.

Vaccination doesn't even stop the spread.

Nobody is arguing that vaccines slow omicron. You just invested a whole lot of text beating on a strawman. It was an ineffective distraction.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Perhaps we should all be wearing A suits.
Spanish flu? You know why it stopped being a problem and killing millions?

Natural herd immunity.......lad.

The one proven action, many politicians and medical czars are trying to remove from the equation by forcing these other measures on us.

 

[brihard]

Is this where we are? Advocating violence against a poster because of their opinion, no matter how wrong or offensive you judge him, because of your own biased opinion?

No, silly. Bruce pointed out a very physically fit individual who died of COVID, and said he would “kick your ass” in fitness, wellness, etc. along that theme, I pointed out an example of a very successful and supremely fit world class kick-boxer who died of COVID. At least try to keep up. If you see a name you don’t recognize, maybe Google it and see if there’s any contextual clue.

 

[Quirky]

Bruce pointed out a very physically fit individual who died of COVID

Physically fit individuals die from heart attacks too, along with countless other statistically insignificant things. Being fit doesn’t mask you from what mother nature and biology wants. One thing I can guarantee you though, if we weren’t in an obesity epidemic, hospitals wouldn’t be full like they are now.

 

[PMedMoe]

Regarding the number of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated in the hospital, I'm just going to leave this here.

 

[QV]

We can go full Israel and keep chasing boosters of a vaccine with questionable results and no long term safety data, or we can get back to basic frontline medicine. Below, the largest study of IVM to date, passed rigorous peer review, and published this week.

Ivermectin enters the chat

Ivermectin Prophylaxis Used for COVID-19: A Citywide, Prospective, Observational Study of 223,128 Subjects Using Propensity Score Matching

Background: Ivermectin has demonstrated different mechanisms of action that potentially protect from both coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) infection and COVID-19-related comorbidities. Based on the studies suggesting efficacy in prophylaxis combined with the known safety profile of...

www.cureus.com

“Ivermectin has been demonstrated to have not only extensive anti-parasitic actions [1,2], but also anti-viral, anti-bacterial, and anti-protozoan properties. Ivermectin has been long proposed for use as a repurposed antiviral agent [3-6]. Indeed, antiviral effects of ivermectin have been reported against both RNA and DNA types of viruses, including HIV-1, yellow fever, Japanese encephalitis, tick-borne encephalitis, West Nile, Zika, dengue fever, chikungunya, Venezuelan equine encephalitis, and the pseudorabies virus [3,5,7,8], as well as functioning in regulation of proteins involved in antiviral responses [8].”

“The ability to prescribe ivermectin or any other off-label drug for COVID-19 has long been at the discretion of frontline physicians once all risks, uncertainties, potential benefits, and patients’ rights are exposed, and informed consent has been obtained. Of particular note, in Brazil, this follows the medical autonomy to determine the best therapeutic strategies for individuals, as per the Medical Code of Ethics of the Brazilian Board of Medical Doctors, the Federal Council of Medicine - Conselho Federal de Medicina (CFM), that determines the obligations and rights of medical doctors in Brazil [32].”

“In a citywide ivermectin program with prophylactic, optional ivermectin use for COVID-19, ivermectin was associated with significantly reduced COVID-19 infection, hospitalization, and death rates from COVID-19.”


“Horse paste”

 

[QV]

Nobody ever said we were wearing masks to ‘stop’ transmission. Mitigating was always the goal.

Now do vaccines.

 

[Booter]

And at the bottom of the study, like ALL of the ivermectin studies, where it states that it’s not a replacement for vaccination- and the other studies that say to use it in conjunction with vaccination- do you throw that away as the part you don’t like?

 

[QV]

And at the bottom of the study, like ALL of the ivermectin studies, where it states that it’s not a replacement for vaccination- and the other studies that say to use it in conjunction with vaccination- do you throw that away as the part you don’t like?

Are you just going to ignore the study I posted and pick apart what I did or didn’t copy/paste from the study?

I believe you should be free to take as many shots and boosters as you like, go nuts.