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B.C. keeps $1.5b Submarine contract

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This is good news for the submarine community I think. a three year delay would have been totally unacceptable.

Published: 2008-01-04
B.C. keeps $1.5b sub contract

Irving shipyard plans to continue with lawsuit

By MURRAY BREWSTER The Canadian Press


OTTAWA — A British Columbia consortium has won a $1.5-billion maintenance contract for Canada’s four Victoria-class submarines in a controversial decision that defence sources say went all the way up to the prime minister’s desk.

Canadian Submarine Management Group was informally awarded Phase One of the 15-year contract by the Conservative government almost a year ago. But a signed, written agreement was put on hold last year after a lawsuit was filed by a group that includes Maritimes-based rival Irving Shipbuilding.

There were suggestions last fall the contract would be re-tendered, but the navy has told both Defence Minister Peter MacKay and the Privy Council Office that such a move would create an unacceptable delay in the submarine program, which is already years behind schedule.

"Going back out to tender and getting it totally put to bed means three years," said a senior defence source. "We can’t afford that."

The issue was shuttled up the chain of command early last fall to the point where Prime Minister Stephen Harper became involved — and ultimately gave the green light for negotiations to resume "and get this done," said a second defence source.

"There will be no re-tendering," a senior government official said on background.

A spokesman with the Defence Department’s material branch confirmed Thursday that negotiations with the B.C. consortium, headed by Victoria Shipyards, have resumed and a final contract would be awarded in a few months.

"Due to legal and other issues, negotiations were delayed for several months," said David Martin.

"Detailed contractual negotiations are underway with completion expected in a few months."

Almost 18 months ago, the Conservative government announced it would publicly tender the contract. It identified Canadian Submarine Management Group as the "most compliant" with the contract aims and began negotiating a final contract.

But Irving Shipbuilding and Fleetway Inc. — part of a rival consortium led by British defence giant BAE (Canada) Systems Inc. — challenged the decision by calling for a judicial review. The Irving-owned companies stood to gain $750 million in work.

The lawsuit alleges one of the companies that participated in the winning bid played a role in developing the statement of work and evaluation criteria for the contract.

Last summer, a Federal Court judge dismissed an attempt by the federal government to have the case thrown out of court.

A spokeswoman for Irving Shipbuilding said she wasn’t aware that negotiations with the B.C. consortium had resumed and confirmed the lawsuit is still on track.

"We continue to believe the contract was awarded unfairly, contrary to applicable law," said Mary Keith.

"There has been a preliminary exchange of information between legal counsels and the case is proceeding."

The contract has also been the subject of some intense, powerful backroom lobbying.

Longtime Tory heavyweight Fred Doucet was hired to plead Irving’s case to federal officials and politicians. Stephen Dover of Capital Hill Group Inc. registered as a lobbyist on the file for Weir Canada Inc., one of the partners in the B.C. group.

The four mothballed diesel-electric submarines were purchased by Canada from the Royal Navy in the late 1990s for almost $900 million. They were built in Britain by BAE Systems in the late 1980s and early 1990s but taken out of service when the British decided to go with an all-nuclear fleet.

Reactivating the submarines has proven to be a huge challenge for the navy, especially in the aftermath of a fatal fire aboard HMCS Chicoutimi in October 2004.

HMCS Corner Brook is the only submarine now in service. HMCS Windsor and HMCS Victoria are undergoing repairs and upgrades.

The Chicoutimi is not scheduled to have its fire damage repaired until 2010 and is being used for spare parts.

 
You will find that the lawsuit will quietly fade away, just after some other obscure contract get awarded to the East Coast consortium for the equivalent $$....kinda like piglets fighting over one nipple, until they find a different one, then they are satisfied....
 
Irving may not be giving up yet:
http://www.thechronicleherald.ca/Business/1001743.html

Irving Shipbuilding is not backing down in its fight to get work on the Victoria Class submarine in-service support contract and has called on the federal government to tender the project again.

Irving said in a news release Friday it wants Ottawa "to do the right thing" about the contract, "based on a fair and transparent process."

A Canadian Press report Friday said Canadian Submarine Management Group, a British Columbia consortium, had been informally awarded the first phase of a $1.5-billion maintenance contract for the four Victoria-class subs.

Irving Shipbuilding has won two recent court challenges to its right to contest the awarding of the contract and is continuing with its court action.

Irving said that re-tendering would be in the best interest of Canada, suggesting it would result in better value for tax dollars.

Having the vessels repaired on the West Coast only to be moved to the East Coast for duty would be a waste of money, the company said.

Irving also said its court submission shows the award "violates due process."..

Irving vice-president Kevin Hudson said in the release that the awarding of this contract is a "travesty."

"We are proceeding with our court action and believe our case is very strong."..

Mark
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It is worth it because Irving is not doing a good job. Every ship we have gotten back from them in the past 5 years has been shoddily done. The Tanker was a mess when we got it back and they charged us over $45 million for the privilege of putting our own ship back together! These people should never get another refit contract....IMHO!
 
Why doesn't the Government's "transparent process" also include reports on the shortcoming of the depot-level work that Irving did on the CPFs and AOR? 

What's good for the goose...
 
+1 Good2Go

I would love to see the media get ahold of some corrective maintenance documentation for ships who have completed refits.  Do a consumer report for everyone to see how much we really get screwed.  Arisings are big too!  Missing piece as simple as washers and bolts can turn into a long paper trail.  Paper trails = $$$ for the contractor.  If you spend big bucks to fix someting you should expect to store ship and sail away not tug it over to NF 45 and sit there for 3 more months fixings everything.

:cdn:
 
Someone with the appropriate knowledge of the shoddy work should write a letter to the editor of the Chronicle Herald and contact the local TV News Rooms.

See if any news outlets has the guts to tell a bad Irving story.  The family is reputed to be very protective of their Brand.
 
Ummm.... Didn't IRVING Shipbuilding dismantle it's shipyards in St John's after they screwed up and closed up the CPF program?

Methinks they had their chance, screwed it up and deserve NOTHING!
 
geo said:
Ummm.... Didn't IRVING Shipbuilding dismantle it's shipyards in St John's after they screwed up and closed up the CPF program?

Methinks they had their chance, screwed it up and deserve NOTHING!

St. John's I think not (could be wrong though) I know they had one in Saint John
 
geo said:
Ummm.... Didn't IRVING Shipbuilding dismantle it's shipyards in St John's after they screwed up and closed up the CPF program?

Methinks they had their chance, screwed it up and deserve NOTHING!

The shipyard in Saint John finished the CFP programme then worked on merchant vessels.  Their last ships were a pair of container ships.
 
From Irving shipbuilding's web site....
our main locations are:
Halifax Shipyard NS
Woodside / Dartmouth NS
East Isle Shipyard PEI
Pictou NS

Dunno, they don't seem to talk much about their New Brunswick shipyard much anymore.....
 
geo said:
From Irving shipbuilding's web site....
our main locations are:
Halifax Shipyard NS
Woodside / Dartmouth NS
East Isle Shipyard PEI
Pictou NS

Dunno, they don't seem to talk much about their New Brunswick shipyard much anymore.....

Only because it has been dismantled and being converted to other uses.
 
Ex-Dragoon said:
Only because it has been dismantled and being converted to other uses.

Ummm.... which was my point....
IIRC, After the round the world dog & pony show failed to identify any interested parties for copies of our CPFs, Irving went on record to state that they were to shut er down & dispose of the resources.
 
          I have no problem on having the contracts in BC  but how do they plan to get the stricken Chicoutimi  there ?  It will be nice to finally have all four boats in the water if that is possible here is hoping .
 
Probably the same way it arrived in Halifax.

I personally think that the Chicoutimi will never sail again, I have this gut feeling that it will be used as an alongside training vessel for CFNOS. 
 
The most economical use of the Chicoutimi would be as an equivalent to the "stone frigates".... as a landlocked training ship.... which obviously means that we will spend TONS of meoney to haul her off to Lotusland in order to spend TONS MORE money in a futile effort to make her seaworthy once more.
 
But is it a futile effort to make her seaworthy? Any serving submariner I know does not think its futile.
 
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