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Boris Asks The Queen to Suspend Parliament

MarkOttawa

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Major pieces critical of BoJo and the Brexit process:

How bad can it get?
Reflections on the state we’re in
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v41/n16/the-state-were-in/how-bad-can-it-get

The Ham of Fate
https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2019/08/15/boris-johnson-ham-of-fate/

Fools Rush Out
https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2019/09/26/fools-rush-out-boris-johnson-brexit/

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Navy_Pete

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Colin P said:
Those impacts are also going to happen on the EU side as well as millions of customers disappear, something the EU can ill afford as well. My guess they EU will let UK suffer for 6 months and then be forced by their own to open negotiations on various small deals, to limit impacts on areas previously serving the UK.

I think there will definitely be some areas impacted by Brexit, but in their case it's mostly a question of doing the paperwork and planning for delays, with the customers paying the costs. Sure the EU plans include some subsidization and assistance for the new processes.

On the flip side they are also picking up a lot of the jobs that flee the UK, so other sectors (particularly banking) are benefiting hugely, so overall probably a bit of a wash for the EU.

For perspective though, the EU is losing probably 5% of it's tariff free markets, once you include the deals they've done with Canada, Japan, etc.  The UK will have zero trade deals once they leave, so every single thing they import/export will have custom requirements. The EU will probably will be happy for it to be done so they can get on with a lot of the other stuff that has been put to the side for the last few years, but even if they start working on something right away, that will take years to figure out (especially with the lingering divorce bill issue).

They have an overall trade deficit of about $38B, and the pound has dropped ~20% since the Brexit vote. So all the stuff they bring in will cost more, and there will suddenly be tariffs, limits and even full restrictions on almost half of their exports (as they go to the EU). Not to be doom and gloom, but there is really no way to paint that as rosy.

Their politicians have also done a pretty good job at behaving like world class arseholes to all their neighbours, so it's not like there will be a lot of sympathy and offers to help.
 

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Very true the politicians screwed this up, they should have bit the bullet and left a year ago. Short term pain cna lead to long term gain and if the UK pulls this off, Brussels will be very nervous. It may in the long run force the EU to fix things and change itself, perhaps stepping back from trying to be a "world government" and back to being a trade organisation.
 

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It's just one more thing the "elites" could not or would not get done.

Add it to the list of things that turned out worse than anticipated because there were, in fact, courses of events which might overrun "stall until status quo resumes".

Lesson learned yet, I wonder?
 

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The latest news courtesy of the Telegraph.

Brexit latest news: Cabinet meeting called amid growing speculation election will be announced this week

Danielle Sheridan, POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT Harry Yorke, Political Correspondent

2 September 2019 • 3:15pm

A Cabinet meeting has been called amid growing speculation that an election will be called later this week.

According to Whitehall sources the meeting will take place at 5pm, before Boris Johnson hosts MPs at a garden party in Downing Street.

A Downing Street source said: "They will discuss Government's response to MPs seeking to take control of legislative agenda away from Government and handing it to the opposition and Corbyn without the consent of the people."

The view from Number 10 is that the expected vote on Tuesday is "an expression of confidence in (the) Government's negotiating position to secure a deal and will be treated as such".

According to the BBC's Laura  Kuenssberg if there is no new deal passed by Parliament, or if Parliament has agreed to no-deal by October 19, then the rebels' bill would force Boris Johnson to seek a 3 month extension of Brexit until January 31.

It comes after Tory rebels accused Boris Johnson of "goading" them into voting against the Government in order to force a snap election.

Mr Johnson has warned that any rebel who backs legislation extending Article 50 will be deselected at the next election.

His ultimatum, signed off at a meeting with Government whips yesterday, is aimed directly at former ministers including Philip Hammond, David Gauke and Rory Stewart.

By putting their jobs on the line, Mr Johnson hopes enough of the rebels will back down to ensure that the attempt to force through legislation blocking no-deal will fail.

However, Mr Gauke, the former justice secretary, has hit back this morning, accusing Mr Johnson of "almost goading people into voting against the Government" to bring about an election.

He also signalled that Tory MPs would not be cowed by Mr Johnson, warning that if they did not step in to block no-deal they would be “complicit in something that will be very damaging for this country.”

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tomahawk6 said:
The mob protesting their Queen IS shamefuk IMO.

The Queen, though she is an hereditary Head of State and her role is largely symbolic, is still more than a nice old lady.  She is a leader of her country (or countries, including Canada).  Protest is a rich and necessary tradition in maintaining a democracy.  At least she's still on the throne.  If her expected successor was king, protest against the "ruling elites" would probably be much more graphic since they could use the example of the result when the first King Charles suspended Parliament.
 
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