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Luk007

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Good day, I've heard that you could wear the British parachute wings on your CAF mess kit.  Where do you put it?  Thanks.
 

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16. Personnel who have been presented equivalent badges of allied countries as a result of qualifications obtained on a course prescribed by the CF, and those who have been presented honorary qualification badges while attached to, or serving with the armed forces of an allied country, may wear the appropriate metal or cloth badge, on the right breast of the service dress and mess dress jacket only while on duty in the specific allied country, when subsequently working with the armed forces of the country or when attending a formal function sponsored by the country concerned. Foreign badges shall be positioned as follows:

a. Navy (Blue Service Dress Jacket). Centred 0.6 cm (1/4 in.) below the name tag, displacing downward any command badge worn.

b. Navy (High Collared White Jacket), Army and Air Force. Centred on the right breast pocket, above and evenly spaced with any command badge.

c. Mess Dress. A single miniature metal foreign flying, or specialist skill badge may be worn on mess dress under the same circumstances as the full size version on service dress. Naval personnel may wear foreign miniatures, but only of a cloth format.
 

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There are several majors in shilo with the Brit para wings on the sleeve of their mess kit. I do not know the authorizing reference- but I also ran into a high ranking nco with the same in Edmonton.
 

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A lot of people when it comes to mess kit due to the fact that they paid for it themselves view dress regulations as a mere guidelines that are open to interpretation and will wear badges that they have been awarded.
 

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dangerboy said:
A lot of people when it comes to mess kit due to the fact that they paid for it themselves view dress regulations as a mere guidelines that are open to interpretation and will wear badges that they have been awarded.

That's how I get away wearing with my stamp collecting badge I got in Cubs.
 

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Rhodesian said:
Right shoulder, believe 2" below shoulder seam.

This is wear I have always seen Brit and German wings as they don't seem to have miniatures.  Including the former Army Comd.  But dangerboy is right, foreign qualifications on mess kit is the most abused regs we have, but when senior officers and senior CWO are doing it I feel pretty well free to wear my US wings and have never got in trouble for it.
 

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Right shoulder, believe 2" below shoulder seam.

Is it the same thing for Army, Navy and Air Force mess kit ?
 

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I do find it amusing that foreign parachute wings aren't authorized to be worn on DEU's but a Ranger tab is. Anyone know why that is? Or is it actually not authorized but people do it anyways?
 

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15. Where an equivalent CF badge has not been designed or approved for wear, the allied country badge presented for the prescribed qualification shall be worn like a CF badge according to wear instructions In paragraphs 7. and 8. and Annex B. If wearing both a CF badge and a foreign badge, the CF badge shall take precedence. The following prescribed foreign qualification badges are authorized for wear on the CF uniform:

a. United States Army Ranger Badge (a cloth sleeve badge);
b. United States Army Special Forces Badge (a cloth sleeve badge);
c. United States Army Ranger Badge (metal pocket badge); and
d. United States Army Special Forces Badge (metal pocket badge).
 

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15. Where an equivalent CF badge has not been designed or approved for wear, the allied country badge presented for the prescribed qualification shall be worn like a CF badge according to wear instructions In paragraphs 7. and 8. and Annex B. If wearing both a CF badge and a foreign badge, the CF badge shall take precedence. The following prescribed foreign qualification badges are authorized for wear on the CF uniform:

a. United States Army Ranger Badge (a cloth sleeve badge);
b. United States Army Special Forces Badge (a cloth sleeve badge);
c. United States Army Ranger Badge (metal pocket badge); and
d. United States Army Special Forces Badge (metal pocket badge).

So by that rational if a Canadian did the Royal Marines all arms Commando course they would be allowed to wear the Commando dagger patch because there isn't a CF equivalent?
 

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Roger, Prince Andrew wore his on his CF DEU and Cdn wings because it was the equiv. some people seem to get away with wearing US wings above their name tag. The COR of the PPCLI wears his, for example. We used to wear a pair above our name tags in The Regiment, but sometimes were challenged on it. Before there was a PPF badge, qualified pers would wear the US Army badge in the same location, unofficially, of course.
 

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What I understood while OUTCAN, was that you could wear foreign badges on your DEU while OUTCAN, but they had to be removed once you returned to Canada. 

The Presidential Unit Citation is a documented and approved exception to those rules, as it is considered under the category of Honours and Awards which covers the wearing of foreign medals. 



 

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George Wallace said:
What I understood while OUTCAN, was that you could wear foreign badges on your DEU while OUTCAN, but they had to be removed once you returned to Canada. 
As was quoted above from Dress Regs, one may wear earned foreign wings/dive badges:
- while on duty in that specific country,
- when working with that country's military,
- when attending a formal function sponsored by that country.

Shamrock said:
That's how I get away wearing with my stamp collecting badge I got in Cubs.
Understandable; as a tanker, you likely don't get many deployments or jump courses -- gotta do something to spruce up that Mess Kit so you're not mistaken for the wine steward.    :stirpot:



;D  <---- added so some 2Lt doesn't wade in again saying "I don't get it."  It's just a joke.
 

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Journeyman said:
;D  <---- added so some 2Lt doesn't wade in again saying "I don't get it."  It's just a joke.

Thanks for removing the map from the equation.  ;D
 

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British parachute wings : It seems to go on the right shoulder, 2" ish below shoulder seam.
Is it the same thing for Army, Navy and Air Force mess kit ?
 

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Journeyman said:
As was quoted above from Dress Regs, one may wear earned foreign wings/dive badges:
- while on duty in that specific country,
- when working with that country's military,
- when attending a formal function sponsored by that country.
Understandable; as a tanker, you likely don't get many deployments or jump courses -- gotta do something to spruce up that Mess Kit so you're not mistaken for the wine steward.    :stirpot:



;D  <---- added so some 2Lt doesn't wade in again saying "I don't get it."  It's just a joke.

So does this mean that Ranger tabs on DEU's are actually a no no?
 

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Luk007 said:
British parachute wings : It seems to go on the right shoulder, 2" ish below shoulder seam.
Is it the same thing for Army, Navy and Air Force mess kit ?

"...right breast of the service dress and mess dress jacket only while on duty in the specific allied country, when subsequently working with the armed forces of the country or when attending a formal function sponsored by the country concerned."

Where are you getting the idea about the right shoulder? Thats where the Brits where it, not necessarily us. Are you on exchange in the UK or working daily with the Brits?
 

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Some people are a bit uptight about the Mess Kit... with the price I paid for the suit, I wear my Brit wings where I want, which is on the right shoulder.
On the right breast, they would interfere with my US wings...
 
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