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Canadian Federal Election 44 - Sep 2021

Remius

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Our senators aren't elected and holding a position like that for life is bullshit.
Agreed but she’s no longer a member of the party or the caucus. It isn’t much but at least he’s doing something to rein in the trouble makers. Hopefully he can get rid of a few MPs that are likely behind this.
 

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Agreed but she’s no longer a member of the party or the caucus. It isn’t much but at least he’s doing something to rein in the trouble makers. Hopefully he can get rid of a few MPs that are likely behind this.
Maybe the Conservatives should do the same as the Liberals did with senators? Delink them from the party (in name, at least)
 

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Agreed but she’s no longer a member of the party or the caucus. It isn’t much but at least he’s doing something to rein in the trouble makers. Hopefully he can get rid of a few MPs that are likely behind this.
O'Toole's lurch to the left lost them seats and support compared to the previous election. What makes you think going harder like that will help them?
 

Remius

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O'Toole's lurch to the left lost them seats and support compared to the previous election. What makes you think going harder like that will help them?
There are few more factors than that that cost him seats. It isn’t about going harder it’s about going smarter.
 

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O'Toole's lurch to the left lost them seats and support compared to the previous election. What makes you think going harder like that will help them?
Interesting that things that used to be a solid part of the PC platform are now considered a “lurch to the left.” What we were seeing could also have been described as greater inclusion of the originally merged pan-PC/Alliance policy space.

If one re-defines the center to be the left side of the hard right’s socially conservative comfort space, then everything other than the old-school Reform/Alliance platform space is to be considered ‘left’.

Good luck with ever having any meaningful conservative presence in parliament if that’s the goal.
 

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Why do we continue to ignore Harpers time? Have the Liberals been that scandal free and the CPC so riddled with scandal that this couldn't happen again? There is always a lot of talk on this site that the majority of Canadians are left leaning. I disagree and the election of mostly conservative provincial governments for the last few years supports that. The middle can be swayed either way. The LPC win the media battle and control the narrative, that is 100% why the CPC struggle today.

O'toole did worse than Scheer. I don't know how the CPC could keep O'toole after that.
 

Remius

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Why do we continue to ignore Harpers time? Have the Liberals been that scandal free and the CPC so riddled with scandal that this couldn't happen again? There is always a lot of talk on this site that the majority of Canadians are left leaning. I disagree and the election of mostly conservative provincial governments for the last few years supports that. The middle can be swayed either way. The LPC win the media battle and control the narrative, that is 100% why the CPC struggle today.

O'toole did worse than Scheer. I don't know how the CPC could keep O'toole after that.
This is the misplaced reasoning that some conservatives have. A majority of Canadians are progressives. The facts bear that out. Provincial elections and parties are not always a reflection of federal sentiment. So no, that does not support your theory that a majority are right leaning. At the provincial level, some conservative governments have been able to balance their approach and attract voters by appealing to them as a viable option to other side. Right now the federally is not.

The media while slanted is just an easy excuse the right keeps using. Time to adult up and show Canadians they can govern. Right now they are a hot mess.

Until true blue conservatives understand this, they will struggle.
 

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Just FYI the NS PC party won a land slide electoral victory by running a more Liberal campaign platform than the Liberals.
 

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There is always a lot of talk on this site that the majority of Canadians are left leaning. I disagree and the election of mostly conservative provincial governments for the last few years supports that.
Really? So ON and NS makes Canada ‘mostly conservative’ provincial governments?

ON was clear, the electorate was fed up with decades of post-NDP McGuinty-Wynne screw overs, simple as that. Little to do with the Fed circus. NS happened because the PC provincially remain PC, not hard right (stealth-Reform) CPC types.
 

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Really? So ON and NS makes Canada ‘mostly conservative’ provincial governments?

ON was clear, the electorate was fed up with decades of post-NDP McGuinty-Wynne screw overs, simple as that. Little to do with the Fed circus. NS happened because the PC provincially remain PC, not hard right (stealth-Reform) CPC types.

And Alberta, Sask, Manitoba and NB all have conservative governments. I think.
 

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I've always found it odd that the generally profligate spending of Alberta governments is characterized as conservative.
 

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I've always found it odd that the generally profligate spending of Alberta governments is characterized as conservative.
Alberta isn't that conservative anyways. In the two big cities, progressive mayors keep winning. The NDP are a threat to win any given provincial election.

Federally Albertans vote for oil politics and that's what is keeping them voting CPC, but on their politics on a whole, they are becoming more progressive as well.
 

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And Alberta, Sask, Manitoba and NB all have conservative governments. I think.
True - I was adding the most recent changes from previous Liberal governments, which I understood was the point being made about change. That said, I suppose Albertans revising their previous socialist leftist leanings (although significantly far more left-wing than Liberals) should probably be included in the big-change to Conservative category.
 

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Why do we continue to ignore Harpers time? Have the Liberals been that scandal free and the CPC so riddled with scandal that this couldn't happen again? There is always a lot of talk on this site that the majority of Canadians are left leaning. I disagree and the election of mostly conservative provincial governments for the last few years supports that. The middle can be swayed either way. The LPC win the media battle and control the narrative, that is 100% why the CPC struggle today.

O'toole did worse than Scheer. I don't know how the CPC could keep O'toole after that.
I'm on a lot of other political groups, and forums. Something that left leaning voters continue to harp on is how they wish they could vote NDP, but they don't want to risk the CPC winning. Everyone looks at the 2011 election and the lessons learned from it.

I remember growing up and generations saying they would never vote NDP provincially because of Boe Ray, or vote liberals federally because of PET, and how long that stuck with people. It seems like there are progressives who will never not vote LPC because they view the alternative as being worse.

I'm not saying that the CPC can never win again, but I am saying that so long as they remain "scary" to the 60-65 percent of Canadians who vote for a left leaning party, those in urban ridings and the suburbs then they will find their path to victory being very hard indeed.

A lot of progressive voters think Trudeau is doing too little in fighting climate change. The CPC say the LPC is doing too much. That's scary.

A lot of progressive voters think Trudeau is moving too slowly to address things like childcare and pharmacare. The CPC says the LPC is doing too much. That's scary.

80 percent of Canadians say that MPs should be vaccinated. CPC campaigned against vaccine mandates, and made a fuss about MPs having to be vaccinated and now have a mini caucus about the rights of the unvaccinated. That's scary.

A lot of progressives say Trudeau needs to do more to address gun violence, including restricting access to firearms. The CPC is saying that the LPC is doing too much. That's scary.

And for new immigrants, there is still talk of that barbaric hotline from 2015, and God only knows how long that black cloud will hang over the heads of the CPC.

This is all just anecdotes gleamed from those politically active enough to chat about it online, but polls bear that out as well.

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The survey, conducted by Nanos Research for The Globe and Mail, found that 75.2 per cent of respondents said they agree and 8 per cent said they somewhat agree with the statement “All members of Parliament should be vaccinated for COVID-19.” Just 11.1 per cent said they disagree and 3 per cent said they somewhat disagree with the statement.

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So I don't think the conditions that lead to Harper winning in 2011 are able to be repeated. There won't be a surge of the NDP leading to a decline of the LPC. That was the lesson learned from 2011.
 

Altair

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I suppose most people only know about what they read in the news.
Regardless, these people believe what they believe and the CPC is not reflective of what they believe in large part.

Gun control, climate change and the environment, covid 19 vaccine mandates, childcare, abortion in some cases, the CPC is so off base in those subjects that it doesn't matter what Trudeau does, they will not vote CPC. And the last time progressives tried to vote NDP Harper won a majority.

So we will be stuck with the LPC until this changes.
 

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You assume that the CPC has to change. Consequences of other policies can change voters' minds. For example, if the LPC takes the same line as the current US administration and tries to blow off price inflation and sporadic shortages, people might not say, "oh, more of that, please". Governments in Canada mostly change because people are tired of the old team, not because another team has awesome new ideas.
 

Remius

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You assume that the CPC has to change. Consequences of other policies can change voters' minds. For example, if the LPC takes the same line as the current US administration and tries to blow off price inflation and sporadic shortages, people might not say, "oh, more of that, please". Governments in Canada mostly change because people are tired of the old team, not because another team has awesome new ideas.
It does not have to change. And you have a point about being tired of the old team.

This current team is 7 years in. With three victories. In two years we might see another election. That will be 9 years with this team.

The other team though needs to tackle what Canadians want or offer alternatives. I believe that there are alternatives to the current climate plan. Admitting that there is one is the first step. Proposing a viable pan to tackle it is the next one. The problem is that there is a segment of the CPC that isn’t happy about even acknowledging that there is a problem.

The two biggest policy issues that had Canadians concerned was climate change and COVID. They flubbed on both. But they are at least keeping their base happy.
 

Altair

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You assume that the CPC has to change. Consequences of other policies can change voters' minds. For example, if the LPC takes the same line as the current US administration and tries to blow off price inflation and sporadic shortages, people might not say, "oh, more of that, please". Governments in Canada mostly change because people are tired of the old team, not because another team has awesome new ideas.
If the CPC wants to wait around for the voters to tire of the LPC that is their prerogative.

I do hope they don't complain if they continue to lose though.
 
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