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Canadian Federal Election 44 - Sep 2021

mariomike

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Like any race/ ethnically categorizing term, there are problems with 'BIPOC':

Whatever the politically correct acronym is, this National Post article may, or may not, be of interest to party strategists when planning for the next Federal election,

Of the 41 ridings in Canada where more than half the population is racialized, the Conservatives won just one in the 2021 election — Calgary Forest Lawn.


Future projections 2016 - 2036:

Regarding Indigenous candidates in the 2021 election,

The NDP said it has 29 Indigenous candidates.

The Liberal party said it has 25 Indigenous candidates.

The Green party said it has 11 Indigenous candidates.

The Conservative party said it has eight Indigenous candidates.

The People's Party of Canada said it has four.

 

Altair

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Whatever the politically correct acronym is, this National Post article may, or may not, be of interest to party strategists when planning for the next Federal election,




Future projections 2016 - 2036:

Regarding Indigenous candidates in the 2021 election,













Long gone are the days of Jason Kenney running around to every IBAPOC riding during election time doing outreach.

Now Jason Kenney is just blading the CPC a few days before election night.
 

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Did anyone watch ‘At Issue’ on CBC news last night?

They slaughtered the CAF, skewered the PM and are predicting/ hoping ‘The Architect’ will be next on the altar.

The new Cabinet positions will be interesting.
 

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Not bad for biased, bought-and-paid-for media 😉
Although, perfectly normal for an unscrupulous, morally bereft organization willing to trade their integrity for cash. Like the common thief, they have no favourites when it comes to whom they wish to screw/serve.
 

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Although, perfectly normal for an unscrupulous, morally bereft organization willing to trade their integrity for cash. Like the common thief, they have no favourites when it comes to whom they wish to screw/serve.
So are they morally bereft because they skewered the PM, or did they skewer the PM because they’re morally bereft?
 

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The best way to reduce emissions is for all nations to reduce their emissions at the same time.

That's what the Paris agreement was for, a collective effort for all nations to reduce their emmisions.

To toss out the carbon tax, to reduce regulations on industry and ramp up industrial production here with more laissez faire regulations while trying to reduce global emissions is playing the exact same shell game, but with even less effectiveness. Canada doesn't have enough weight to bully those with the highest emissions into producing less meanwhile ours would go up.

Terrible plan.

Its amusing that you think low wage industry would make a comeback in Canada or any other western country.

but sure, put that plan of yours in place. Im sure people would love empty shelves at Walmart and Costco and spending hundreds of billions to build industry up from scratch and the accompanied supply chain that would be required.

Oh, and only for a market of 38 million Canadians as well, seeing as there is no way that even the lowest wage manufacturing jobs that would be required to fill the sudden gap created by your plan could ever hope to compete with the low wage jobs of those other nations in the export market.

Morgan Freeman Applause GIF by The Academy Awards


Except the carbon tax is the most simple free market way to change behavior. Companies do not want the extra costs, and will find ways to reduce the carbon output to pay less in taxes.

Even the CPC gets this now and have their own carbon tax plan.

338 MPs sent to Ottawa support one version or another of a carbon tax. I think Canadians have spoken.
Who said I supported lowering our environmental standards? You are completely missing my point. I never said any new jobs would create a huge amount of low wage industry, with modern technology there will still be a ton of jobs but no where near the manufacturing lines of the 50s and earlier.

If we buy products made without the same or similar environmental standards used in Canada we are subsidizing other nations businesses well adding tons of cost to ours. We are also increasing the environmental impact of those goods as for example if a steel plant in Canada closes down, guess what we still need steel so where do we get it from? China? India? Any number of nations who don't follow any emission standards and dump it all into the atmosphere? Great job, they just increased production to account for the new customers, and the planet is worse off.

Maybe we should figure out how much carbon is being produced from goods made overseas and apply a carbon tax to that. Watch the price of cheap goods skyrocket to account for their actual outputs and allow Canadian companies to actually be able to compete.

Our emissions measuring system is broken. If it only accounts for what is produced in Canada instead of what is consumed, we aren't fairly accounting for what we are actually doing. If we started to develop the actual numbers as to what individuals actually use in regards to products made in foreign places our emissions would increase dramatically.

Like I said we are playing a shell game currently. Oh China is so evil because of their emissions, meanwhile we are taking in all those dirty products without a complaint because they are cheap. Much like the drug cartels, they are only a issue because the West keeps consuming the product.

Net results of my policy would be a increase in local jobs, a increase in the cost of goods, a likely increase in the quality of goods (so as to not require replacement as often), a reduction in global emissions, and a increase in our self-sustainability as a nation. Not all products need to be produced inhouse, hence free trade with those following similar standards, but those without shouldn't be allowed to sell here or if they do it should be after a equivalent tariff to manufacturing it in Canada is applied.
Yeah, I'm not sure on the branding there.

Canada: let us pollute more so that you can pollute less.

Collaborative is collaborative. Let China work on its own emmisions and let us work on our own. We have a goal, 30 percent less emmisions, let's just buckle down and do it.

So again, unless you can think of another way to drop emmisions in Canada by 30 percent that doesn't include a carbon tax, then a carbon tax it is. I've Waite years to see how the CPC would round that square peg only for them to come up with their own carbon tax which goes to show that there is one best course of action with that goal in mind.
Carbon tax really doesn't drop emissions. It closes down business in Canada, hurts individuals, and is essentially subsidizing products made in foreign countries at the detriment of Canadians. It is a disgusting policy which hurts all Canadians and only pretends to deal with the actual problem. Again if you want to reduce emissions you ban or regulate how much emissions can be made by a product by tightening environmental controls. This allowing dirty products to be sold in Canada without penalty well clean products get driven out of business with ever increasing taxes is what you call stupidity.
Reducing global emmisions is simple.

Everyone reduce it by 30 percent. Solved.

If Canada does that followed by France and USA, and Germany, and Japan, and South Africa, and Brazil, and everyone else, guess what happens? Global emmisions are reduced by 30 percent.

Woooooo!

Math is hard, I know.
Such a simple view of the world, unfortunately the world isn't that simple.
 

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Carbon tax really doesn't drop emissions. It closes down business in Canada, hurts individuals, and is essentially subsidizing products made in foreign countries at the detriment of Canadians. It is a disgusting policy which hurts all Canadians and only pretends to deal with the actual problem. Again if you want to reduce emissions you ban or regulate how much emissions can be made by a product by tightening environmental controls. This allowing dirty products to be sold in Canada without penalty well clean products get driven out of business with ever increasing taxes is what you call stupidity.
The 5 parties in parliament representing 338 MPs have all come to the conclusion that this is the best way forward.

You haven't and that's okay. If you don't believe in the program that works. If you don't believe in the Paris accord and targets, that's also okay.

The political parties have moved on and that is what matters.
 

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The 5 parties in parliament representing 338 MPs have all come to the conclusion that this is the best way forward.

You haven't and that's okay. If you don't believe in the program that works. If you don't believe in the Paris accord and targets, that's also okay.

The political parties have moved on and that is what matters.
the 5 parties are chasing votes not solutions. We are being played for suckers by those who see a buck to be earned.
 

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the 5 parties are chasing votes not solutions. We are being played for suckers by those who see a buck to be earned.
It's okay if you believe that.

Seems like the Canadian populace and political parties have come to a different conclusion.

Let's revisit this in 2030 and see if emmisions went down by the Paris target amounts.
 

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Just another ingredient in the "getting China to get a grip on its carbon emissions" stew ...
Factories in at least ten Chinese provinces have either cut output or closed temporarily this month, after government-imposed power cuts to curb carbon emissions.

By Friday, at least 10 publicly listed companies told the Shanghai and Shenzhen stock exchanges their factory output had been hit by the power cuts, and their 2021 earnings could be adversely affected ...
... which leads to ...
... China’s energy crisis is shaping up as the latest shock to global supply chains as factories in the world’s biggest exporter are forced to conserve energy by curbing production.

The disruption comes as producers and shippers race to meet demand for everything from clothing to toys for the year-end holiday shopping season, grappling with supply lines that have been upended by soaring raw material costs, long delays at ports and shortages of shipping containers ...
 

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Oh, and line 3 completed.

370k barrels of oil per day export capacity online.

Not bad for a country some say cannot build pipelines.
 

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Oh, and line 3 completed.

370k barrels of oil per day export capacity online.

Not bad for a country some say cannot build pipelines.
Good deal but it was built in Minnesota not Canada. It was proposed in 2015 and completed 4 months ago. On the other hand, the transmountain request started processing in 2013 and is still years from completion. Kittimat is still being blocked and if you want to ship oil from Alberta to Halifax you had better plan on tankers at some point. China is still building coal generators at a prodigious rate and one of the main reasons for the slowdown is the lack of fuel to power their existing capacity due to their on-going tiff with Australia.
 

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Good deal but it was built in Minnesota not Canada. It was proposed in 2015 and completed 4 months ago. On the other hand, the transmountain request started processing in 2013 and is still years from completion. Kittimat is still being blocked and if you want to ship oil from Alberta to Halifax you had better plan on tankers at some point. China is still building coal generators at a prodigious rate and one of the main reasons for the slowdown is the lack of fuel to power their existing capacity due to their on-going tiff with Australia.
It was refurbished in Canada though, so there was some work done on it here.

Transmountain had a lot more regulatory issues, including the need to consult indigenous communities. Still, I wouldn't say years away, its scheduled to be in service by dec 2022, which means the actual completion should be a few months before that.
 

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lots of indigenous in Minnesota but not quite so much money to fund their protests. But I sure hope you are right re: 2022 for Trans. It certainly hasn't been easy to date.
 

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lots of indigenous in Minnesota but not quite so much money to fund their protests. But I sure hope you are right re: 2022 for Trans. It certainly hasn't been easy to date.
They just don't have the legal avenues for their grievances in the USA. First nations in Canada have treaties with the Crown that need to be respected. The USA has no crown, and treaties are not treated as law down there, so far easier to ram through projects despite any objections.

As for transmountain, (calling it Trans seems weird), thats the scheduled date. I haven't heard of any protestor delays as of right now. Which makes sense, seeing as there are only so many environmental protestors in BC and they seem busy at fairy creek.
 

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... Meaning that if China is doing it, Canada sure as hell can.
That's true, but I was trying to point out the pain at this end for the gain at that end. All has be thrown into the calculus, no?
 
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