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Could We Have Helped the Kursk?!

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the patriot

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Just curious how everyone feels about this?! Could there have been anyway that our navy with JTF personnel have assisted in rescuing the crew members of the Kursk and disabling the nuclear reactor powering the submarine?!! I‘m referring to the Russian submarine that has sunk to the bottom of ocean off the coast of Finland and Sweden. At issue also is, what part of the submarine hit the other vessel. I think that had things been worse, this could have been worse than the Halifax explosion of the early 1900‘s. Had the nuclear reactor on this sub exploded, well, you get the idea. A Hiroshima on water or an ocean based Chernobyl waiting to happen. The resulting fallout poisoning the Arctic and thus directly afflicting the Canadian Shield.

-the patriot-
 
I don‘t think our navy has the specialized equipment required to rescue sailors from a broken sub 100 metres below the surface (I could be wrong). I‘m not sure why you would advocate JTF2 conducting the rescue as it really isn‘t their role. I‘d heard that the Kursk had hit another ship, but now I hear it was an explosion in a forward torpedo tube. I haven‘t heard anything about the reactor still being active. I think we will soon find that everyone on board is dead and the Russians will salvage the sub to find out what happened and ensure there is no radiation leaks.
 
"... once upon a time ..."

Seems to me Canada once had limited capability in this regard - ship named HMCS Cormorant, I believe. However, like any and every thing useful, Cormorant was paid off/decommissioned. Now we‘d be reliant upon our allies for help. How sad.

But, hey - let‘s not forget - the Prime Minister himself said our air force didn‘t need "Cadillacs" and cancelled the EH101 contract (at a cost of 500 million dollars to the Canadian taxpayers).

What‘s my point?
Why is our military being treated this way? What‘s wrong with buying the best kit (especially when it‘s going to be flying over the North Atlantic, Pacific, and Arctic)?

Oh - I forgot - some political advisor decided it wasn‘t politicaly expedient (sigh ... if only I could spend some time alone in a dark alley with the aforesaid political advisor ...)

Here‘s a column from the Glober and Mail on the helicopters:

Copter strategy a recipe for disaster
HUGH WINSOR

Friday, August 25, 2000
Herb Gray‘s pre-election political gift to his old friend, Jean Chrétien, may be the procurement deal he has wangled to spare the Prime Minister further embarrassment over military helicopters, even though that odoriferous arrangement puts expediency ahead of both safety and common sense.
The significance of Mr. Gray‘s finagling was not immediately obvious in the announcement last week that the government had given the Department of National Defence approval to proceed with the acquisition of 28 maritime helicopters to replace the 37-year-old Sea Kings, which have been accurately described as buckets of parts flying together in close formation. That is, when they are able to fly -- more often than not, the 1950s-era relics are not able to take off for mechanical reasons.
The mechanical failures of these aging workhorses are well known. The scandal is how the Chrétien government has procrastinated on replacing them, and how a secret committee led by Mr. Gray has contrived even more delays.
This is more downstream turbulence from two politically successful but financially stupid promises made by Mr. Chrétien during the 1993 election campaign. One related to revoking a multiyear construction and operations contract at Pearson International Airport to some prominent Tories with close connections to prime minister Brian Mulroney.
The second promise was to cancel a deal for search-and-rescue and shipborne helicopters that was concluded during the brief interregnum of prime minister Kim Campbell. Mr. Chrétien said at the time that Canada couldn‘t afford the Cadillacs of the air the Tories had agreed to buy -- a helicopter called the EH101 developed by a British-Italian consortium.
The Liberals eventually ordered 15 search-and-rescue helicopters, a version of the EH101 known as the Cormorant -- but it was the burns they received in that process that led to Mr. Gray‘s endeavours. Seven years after the cancellation, with the existing maritime helicopters, the Sea Kings, literally falling out of the air, the Chrétien government is still trying to justify its initial campaign-induced decision.
When he released the Statement of Requirements for the maritime helicopters last week, Defence Minister Art Eggleton was following a script that said the new approach would still save money over the Tories‘ 1993 agenda -- despite a half-billion dollars in cancellation fees for the first contract, and well in excess of $100-million worth of additional maintenance for the Sea Kings to keep them flying for another five years. Don‘t bet the mortgage on it.
It took real chutzpah for the Defence Minister to boast that his highest priority was to obtain the new equipment for the navy. Mr. Eggleton has been a eunuch in all of this, with the strategy and decision-making bouncing back and forth between Mr. Gray and the Prime Minister‘s Office.
Mr. Gray‘s group has successfully delayed the actual procurement decisions until well after the next election campaign while still appearing to be working on the file. The Statement of Requirements released last week, for instance, was completed by DND on July 14, 1999.
It is just the starting point. For the intervening period, Mr. Gray and senior officials have been busy devising a strategy that will provide maximum political control over both equipment choices and proposed expenditures. Two of the key elements involve a shift from the principle of best value for money to getting the lowest price for minimum standards. The second technique involves splitting the contract. There will be one process for choosing a helicopter platform and a completely separate process for choosing who will design and integrate all of the mission systems. The cabinet will control both.
Most experts say this is a recipe for disaster and delays. The Chrétien government has been extremely lucky there haven‘t been more fatal crashes as the result of their political expedience. But there is no guarantee that luck will hold, with the result that one or two fatal helicopter crashes could become a much bigger election issue than the legerdemain on contracting
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Dileas Gu Brath
M.A. Bossi, Esquire
 
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