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Hellyer Cpl.

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Posted by "Mathew Snoddon" <msnoddon@hotmail.com> on Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:50:18 -0500
Can someone fill me in on the term ‘Hellyer Cpl."?
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Posted by "Ian Edwards" <iedwards@home.com> on Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:22:50 -0700
IIRC, before Integration in the late 60s, we had using the Infantry as an
example Privates, Corporals as section commanders, Sergeants as Platoon 2ic
and each section had one Lance Cpl with one stripe as the 2ic of the
section and also ic of the LMG C2 group. Hellyer, as MND, introduced
integration of the ranks of the three former services
and a Corporal became just a Private with a higher trades qualification and
time in rank can‘t remember exact details.
The appointment of LCpl which was not really a rank but supposidly a
temporary 90 days max. appointment was eliminated and the new rank of MCpl
became the equivalent of LCpl, with Sgts becoming section commanders, ie.
the equavalent of the old LCpls.
The idea of giving two stripes to someone who did not command/lead anyone
with treated with derision by many, hence the term Hellyer Corporal. The
need for the "watering down" or "inflation" of the Army rank structure was
somewhat governed by the Air Force actually, the Canadian Army in most part
became the Land Element, another term not too popular and their need to
have LACs Leading Aircraftsmen with one stripe actually a propeller who
were strictly technicians. There were other arguments for the change but I
don‘t wish to belabour the explanation.
So instead of stripes denoting those who had "authority" stripes including
Privates with one stripe came to mean something else. Very briefly at that
time, IIRC, we also had "Career Corporals" who were Cpls now with no
leadership role with long service who received extra pay for very long
service but were not suitable for promotion to leadership ranks and I think
agreed to the extra pay/insignia with the understanding that they would not
be ever considered for promotion in their remaining time in the CF. Their
insignia was two stripes plus a maple leaf, and from a distance looked like
MCpls, although in some cases the leaf was fastened smack dab on the lower
joint of the stripes. Didn‘t last long. Not a good idea.
I‘d hoped that someone else on this net would have answered this query, but
the thread did get discussed in more detail some months ago by members with
better memories/understanding than me.
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