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Troopasaurus

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i have a question about issued firearms do the recon specialists (infantry) use the C8 or the C7 ? and who is eligable to get the browning 9mm ? what about the possibilty of carrying your own personal sidearmy (in your name not the army‘s) ? any help is greatly apreciated
 
In the CF we call it recce not recon, and infantry recce is organized into recce platoons. Soldiers will rotate in and out of the recce platoon, so no one really spends a career there.
If you look at the recent photos from Afghanistan, you will see the infantry types carrying C7s, C7A1s and C8s. There‘s not a specific entitlement to the C8 generally, unless you‘re in the armour corps or otherwise a member of an AFV crew. However, it does seem that a few troops acquired them along the way.
To directly answer your question, either or, depending on what‘s available and what the preference of the soldier is.

Pistols are generally issued to officers and senior NCOs, but are more common in command post environments. They are pretty useless in combat, and they make you a rather obvious target. Very rarely have I seen or heard of them being carried by platoon/troop leaders or 2ICs. In the armour corps they are generally only found on the sergeant major and in the CP, nobody else wants one. Depending on availability and desire, I imagine that MCpl / Sgt types and up could get one.

Lastly, there‘s no chance to carry your own personal sidearm, that‘s a get into jail free card for sure.
 
i think recce tasked soldiers would prefer the C8 over the C7 but it all depends on if the unit has any C8s to spare. Pistols usually go to officers, weapons crews, medics i guess. Drivers too i think, again it depends on availability.

I dont think you can use your own pistol, when we were in bosnia the MPs made soldiers turn in any and all water pistols that they had in the camp, to be returned upon departure.
 
Just out of curiosity, do the MPs get C8s? I heard that they do..
 
Our Recce platoon used C8‘s.
In Bosnia on my first tour, I was issued a pistol(as a Pte)
All ranks from Section 2 i/c up were issued pistols on both my tours in Bosnia.
In Canada 2 i/c‘s and up can carry pistols, but usually it starts at Pl Commanders. Also the 84 mm gunner usual carries a pistol as his personal weapon.
 
From my father, the 30-year police veteran:

"A bad day with a rifle is far better than a good day with a pistol."

Besides, I‘ve used our Brownings and, as a medic, I‘ve turned down the pistol on many occasions. I‘d rather have a rifle anyway, despite the weight, the hassle, and the interference with medical kit. If the $hit hit the fan, I‘d rather have my C7 than any pistol.

By the way, does anyone here use iron sights anymore? Any idea where I can get an iron sight attachment for a flat top C7 that‘s legal in Canada?
 
I was told C6 gunners are also entitled to the use of a pistol, but I‘ve never seen it happen.

The one time I‘ve fired a Browning belonging to Mother Green I had three misfeeds in four mags. I don‘t know whether it was the weapon or the ammo, but I do know I have never had a misfeed or stoppage firing much higher volumes of ammo thru H&Ks, Glocks, and Sigs....
 
what about weapon accesories mainly the knight‘s armory rail system that allows you to mount a front grip on the C8 ? personal attachments ? 100rdn drum :D (i know impractical) here is a pic of the front grip http://webcats.net/store/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=J&Product_Code=FPGA&Category_Code=KA
 
Lots of people should get pistols but theres usually not that many to go around.

The cf has issued ironsites for the c7. It attaches on the rail. its small and you can even have it attached while the scope is still on providing you have room
 
No 521, it is not Kosher to add your own accessories to CF issue weapons. Apart from varying sling techniques and the liberal application of camouflage, thou shalt not change/modify/adjust/anything to thine issue weapon.

On the issue of the High Power Browning and its stoppages. Must of these problems can be attributed to its magazine and the spring inside them. Change the mag, put the rounds back in, and voila, no problem. Use the same mag, you get the same result 100% of the time with only 2-3 rounds left.
 
First off, this is the Military not a bunch of Cowboys. YOU CANNOT TAKE OR USE YOUR PERSONAL WEAPON! Secondly you CANNOT MODIFY YOU WEAPON!. Yes some of us have white painted forestocks or green cam ones, but they are issued as special need. Troops get issued a weapon to need. Armour troops get C8s and C/C get pistols, if they are in Asssult Troop C7s with M203, section commanders and 2iCs get a pistol.
This lil **** is what I mean, when I say some people on here are right F*&^ up.
 
Can you think of a good reason why you would want to carry your own weapon knowing full well that the CF issues personal weapons?? I think not..................dont be a cowboy
 
I only use the Iron sights for the C7, the optical is nice but it loses it‘s zero far too easily.
Our *special* C8‘s have the rail system in place of fore-stocks where lasers, flashlights, and yes, an extra handle can be placed. It‘s just the extra handle from a C9, it just screws in.
 
People (especially kids) see movies like "Blackhawk Down" and see guys like Delta Force carrying upgraded, super high-quality weaponry and other various shiny kit, and think that everyone is like that. I saw kids on many courses of mine saying "I‘m only here for a little while until I get into special forces" or, "I‘m heading into SAR right after this."

These are 16 year old kids who have no idea what‘s involved in any of these occupations. Like the kids who want to do recce, or become snipers, or paratroopers. They don‘t realise that‘s it‘s not all fun and glamour like you see on "Bravo Two Zero" or "Enemy at the Gates." The hard work and bull$hit involved never gets shown on TV.

Anyway, just ignore these kids. One day, some big infantry Sgt is going to give them a rude awakening and they‘ll gain some life knowledge, and maybe realize that real life isn‘t like TV (what a concept!)
 
How refreshing! That‘s right Doc, tell it like it is! It‘s good to dream though. Everyone‘s got a dream. Hooah!
 
hey im not just some dumba/s kid i know that in order to get were i want im gonna end up doing jobs like latrine duty im not that ignorant i have been to several military bases i have seen and slept in the barracks i have done 4 years worth of drill PT shooting (Cadets) how many of the people here without looking at a book or searching it on the internet can tell me what an SA-7 is and what caliber the Dragonov sniper rifle shoots ? i was doubtfull that modification would be allowed but hey whats the harm in the question ? as for a fact JTF-2 can modify and carry "sanitized" weapons that mean they can use whatever they want
This lil **** is what I mean, when I say some people on here are right F*&^ up.
there goes military dicipline
Our *special* C8‘s have the rail system in place of fore-stocks where lasers, flashlights, and yes, an extra handle can be placed. It‘s just the extra handle from a C9, it just screws in.
so wow look someone was nice enough to answer my question in a civilised manner thank you doug oh and zommie but overall i realise now that some people just need some help dealing with simple questions i really didnt think anyone could have such a problem with a question seems to me that people in the foreign leagion are better behaved :rolleyes:

"the above was not an attempt to explain military life to those above this post, more of my views on military life"
 
Try joining the ranks of the Foreign Legion and see how well behaved they are. There‘s nothing wrong with asking questions, but learn to articulate. The way you ask a question on a forum says alot about you from the people who read it.
 
If you join the forien legion and your a ‘pretty boy‘ they hit you int he face until you look like the rest of them, hows that for not having individuals.

521 aurora if i may suggest something to you, don‘t come into the military talking about how much more you know compared to the next guy especially if that‘s cadet work. I understand that a cadet would be proud of their accomplishments but you‘ll find many a person will still just see cadets as kids. Saying "when i was in cadets" will get you no where fast to say the least.

"how many of the people here without looking at a book or searching it on the internet can tell me what an SA-7" Why would someone know what that is?? I wouldn‘t expect a clerk or artillery soldier or medic be able to tell me how a fighting patrol is made up nor would i expect them to think i know much about their job. Anyone who plays computer games can rhyme off what type of caliber whatever weapon shoots or how the delta force break into a building. I don‘t even know what an SA-7 is, some kinda missle??

As far as modifing your weapons goes, i‘ve seen a few guys do little things like replace their pistol grip with a compitition one with a palm rest (like the one you can see on the psg-1).
When my unit was doing the jungle lanes at night i rigged up one of those laser pen lights to my C7 with guntape and rough zeroed it in the day time, worked like a charm with the NVGs at night.

Regarding carrying your own firearms, i heard that in days past soldiers could carry their own pistols but that was probably just a rumor. I know persoanlly when i was in bosnia i was going to buy a 9mm H&K pistol or 9mm sig226 while i was in hungary to use a as personal weapon (and not tell anyone) because origionally i was a c-9 gunner and then we were told to just keep the c9s in our lockers because they looked too agressive so i ended up walking around with someone elses c7 that had butt extentions on that i couldnt use or wasn‘t zero‘d to me at all.

Maybe the members here could have refrained from jumping on ya that harshly, calling you a cowboy or kid (afterall how many of us entered the military knowing exactly what it was like, when i joined i wanted to join the airborne regiment after of course it was disbanded, civilians know hardly anything about the army) but you shouldnt give them ammo to use against you. Nothing is worse then getting shot with your own gun i would imagine
 
I‘ve never been in combat. Lord help me, I never will!

But yes, I totally see Ghost‘s side on this one.

What calibre the Dragonuv fires, or what an SA-7 is (and it‘s maximum ceiling and type of tracking system, and speed) are totally irrelevant if you are at the bottom end of the military ladder. I imagine you don‘t want either pointed in your direction or fired in anger. And if they are, I would imagine your main concern is getting the f*ck out of that situation.

For me, it‘s nice to know that a C-7 holds 30 rds, and is gas-operated, and how it comes apart, and the fact that it shoots 5.56mm. But all of this is so I can use this tool properly. If the day ever comes when I need it to, I just want it to throw bullets in the general direction of the enemy as fast and best as possible. It‘s irrelevant at that point to know that the rifle weighs 3.3kg unloaded, and all that other sh*t.

While on the topic, several people in my basic course are all hyped up about wanting to fire pistols and wanting to get a bayonet.

If you‘re bringing a pistol to a rifle fight, you‘ve already lost. If you need a bayonet, and you are in a formation armed with rifles and machine guns, then, again, you are in the sh*t. Yes, things you may need to know later, but not on a basic course.

I watch movies because they‘re entertaining and dramatic, and if they happen to appear realistic, it adds to the drama. Do I really think an RPG could explode through a wall next to me and I‘d be totally uninjured, as happens in several scenes in Black Hawk Down? No. Do I want to find out how close I can get to an RPG going off before I actually get injured? F*ck no.

End of rant...
 
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