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Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.

Remius

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Agreed.

He’s spent what? A few months in jail up to that point.

Maybe he didn’t like what he was going through and what potentially was waiting for him for the rest of his life, saw the writing on the wall and offed himself. 

It’s a hard fall going from Billionaire to hard time for life, a target in prison with zero chance of getting out.
 

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He was 66. Only a presidential pardon could have saved him from dying in a federal prison.
 

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Colin P said:
I would just like to point out that I know nothing about the Clintons..............

Uh huh....

*makes a phone call*
"We have another one"
*hangs up*

^^
 

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Interesting article on how suicides in US prisons is not that unusual.

The Completely Predictable Death of Jeffrey Epstein

If you are shocked by a jail suicide you aren’t paying attention to the grim conditions of incarceration in America.

By Andrew Cohen
August 11, 2019

The reported suicide on Saturday of disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein in a federal jail cell in the heart of Manhattan was both utterly shocking and completely predictable. It’s shocking that the Bureau of Prisons was unable to keep Epstein alive pending his federal sex trafficking trial and that jail officials, knowing the world was watching this case so closely, allowed his death even after Epstein’s apparent failed attempt to take his own life three weeks ago. That’s negligence by definition, whether the celebrity defendant was placed on or taken off “suicide watch.”

But inmate suicides are such a regular part of life in American prisons and jails that none of us should be surprised whenever they occur. They are the leading cause of death behind bars, and have been for many years, and the problem seems to be getting worse. The latest statistics, from 2014, tell us the rate of suicides in jails was the highest it’s been since at least 2000. This even though there is more public awareness surrounding the phenomenon and a cry for better records (and details) about the number of suicides that take place each year.

Inmates suicides are an epidemic corrections officials won’t talk about. The deaths transcend race and geography. They occur, as we saw with Epstein, in federal jails in a big city and they occur in lonely rural prisons. They occur where a pretrial detainee has been jailed just days earlier, as was the case with Sandra Bland in Texas, and they occur where a convicted prisoner has been left to languish for months or years in solitary confinement. Not every suicide can be prevented, of course, but scores of inmates could be saved every year if corrections officials would just earnestly protect those in their custody and control.

These deaths occur not just because guards are poorly trained and jails understaffed, or because often the procedures in place to protect suicidal inmates are woefully outdated and inadequate. The biggest problem is one of attitude. Inmates are able to commit suicide because their guards have dehumanized them to the point where they don’t care enough whether they live or die. Epstein’s death reminded me of the remorseless, cruel attitude that allows inmates to be kept shackled even in death, when they leave for the local morgue.

Take Ohio, as an example. Remember Ariel Castro, the high-profile “Cleveland kidnapper”? He killed himself in a jail cell in October 2013 and then his guards falsified their logs to hide their incompetence. Remember Billy Slagle? He committed suicide in an Ohio jail hours after prosecutors discovered evidence that might have spared him. Pick a state, any state, and similar stories abound. Hundreds of men and women kill themselves in their cells. How many guards do you think are disciplined when these suicides occur? How many lose their jobs?

Nor should any of us be surprised that the Bureau of Prisons, our national prison system, is the scene of so many suicides. Federal prison officials for years, for decades, have refused to acknowledge the scope of the problem. For instance, in the wake of a spate of suicides a few years ago they sent out a note to inmates encouraging the despairing among them to come forward. When one inmate, Percy Barron, came forward asking for such help he was ignored. So he tried to kill himself, failed, and then was punished for breaking BOP rules.

Nearly six years ago I wrote about the suicide of Robert Gerald Knott, who killed himself at the ADX-Florence penitentiary in Colorado. We know the grim details of Knott’s last moments only because a fellow prisoner, Jabbar Currence, chronicled the suicide and then shared what he had seen with his lawyer. Congressional oversight? Don’t bet on it. I’ve watched countless hours of Capitol Hill testimony from Bureau of Prisons officials and the only thing I ever learned is that there is no transparency or accountability within the BOP. It is its own fiefdom.

U.S. Attorney General William Barr said Saturday that Epstein’s death was “appalling” and that the Justice Department already is investigating the matter. Congress, too, wants answers about how this could happen to a high-profile inmate in one of the most secure jails in the nation. The feds said over the weekend that Epstein was taken off a suicide watch on July 29, less than one week after his reported failed suicide attempt. Who made this dubious decision, and why, must be shared with the public in the investigations to come.

Until then, and likely afterward, Epstein’s death will be enveloped by conspiracy theories, many of which surfaced before his body got cold. The only real conspiracy here is the ageless one between and among prison guards and jail officials who too often treat at-risk inmates with callous disregard and deliberate indifference. Too many guards just don’t care whether a prisoner lives or dies. Until that changes, each year hundreds of men and women, both the guilty and the innocent, will die, desperate and alone in their cells.

Andrew Cohen is a senior editor at The Marshall Project, and a fellow at the Brennan Center for Justice.

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He can suck my a$$......

While Epstein allegedly had some sexual perversions, that particular fetish has not been reported as being within his repertoire.
 

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Interesting article on how suicides in US prisons is not that unusual.

Link. Original article includes links.

And not unusual in our federal system either.

We’ve had one completed suicide in our Manitoba provincial system since 2010.

It all depends on how seriously you take the person at risk and how well you do your job.
 

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I'm thinking I should have much more specific... :facepalm:
 

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Bruce Monkhouse said:
I'm thinking I should have much more specific... :facepalm:
No, the imagery from that simple statement is more than enough, thanks.  :boke:
 

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:sarcasm: I don't care who you are. Nobody has 56 friends that commit suicide :sarcasm:
 

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The conspiracy nuts on left thinks it’s Trump.  the conspiracy nuts on the right think it’s Clinton. 

My money is on Candyman.


It might not be that far fetched that Epstein himself paid off an overworked underpaid Guard to turn a blind eye so he could make his exit.
 

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Some people love their conspiracy theories,

In Epstein Tweets, Trump Revisits a Favored Conspiracy Genre: Murder
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/us/politics/trump-epstein-conspiracy-theories.html
President Trump has long used his fame and platform to amplify conspiracy theories and undermine his political enemies by muddying the waters when it comes to facts.

Probably the most infamous jail house suicide since Hermann Göring.

Not all that uncommon among high profile inmates,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prison_deaths
 

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I'm not going to yammer and pontificate much more on this subject.

We, at least in our institution, take all talk of suicide seriously. Some of our guests joke about it and we know that, but they are still assessed  to ascertain that they are not suicidal.
I'm an ASIST instructor and I tell everyone to take all suicide talk seriously. We have to.

Would an Epstein completed suicide in any jail? Possibly yes. As for him being taken off suicide watch, few inmates are on suicide watch for longer than a week. Generally the suicidal thoughts go away and they are downgraded, moved back to his or her cell and supervised like other inmates.

We did have one inmate on suicide watch for months on end. His crime was particularly heinous, but despite how we felt personally about him we ensured he stayed alive. He was one of the few who needed one on one suicide watch because he would have attempted if he was in a camera cell.

 

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I'm no prevention expert. But, one observation I came to many years ago was if someone was determined to kill themselves, they would.
 

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Remius said:
The conspiracy nuts on left thinks it’s Trump.  the conspiracy nuts on the right think it’s Clinton. 

My money is on Candyman.


It might not be that far fetched that Epstein himself paid off an overworked underpaid Guard to turn a blind eye so he could make his exit.

I bet he didn't even have to do that.  Just say the "right" things to prison staff (Correctional Officers, Psychologists etc) to make them believe he isn't suicidal, and they take him off suicide watch. And to those surprised he was off suicide watch I'd be surprised after a few weeks behind bars he'd still be on it.  In my experience in corrections it's been a short term "solution" if you will, to prevent suicides.  And it's more than just physical security monitoring (cameras, checking cell etc), it involves psychologists/psychiatrists counselling the offender.  Usually three to four days has been the maximum I've seen inmates on suicide watch in my experience

As for those having these conspiracy theories, here's one.  Epstein was a 66 year old high profile pedophile facing 45 years (I believe that would have been his sentence) behind bars, doing hard time.  He would have been released when he turned 111 years old, meaning in reality he'd die behind bars.  Epstein did the math and decided why wait to die behind bars, he'll do it now by his own hands.  Really no surprise at all

My two cents

Tom

 

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13 Aug., 2109
NY Post
Why was Jeffrey Epstein’s death on 4chan before it became public?
https://nypost.com/2019/08/13/why-was-jeffrey-epsteins-death-on-4chan-before-it-became-public/

 

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Most don’t like the truth just like the Kennedy assasination
 

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