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Kenosha Shooting - split from The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

kkwd

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I could be wrong about that aspect. I took that from this quote which might not be the most accurate:
I'll stick with the court transcript, all the dicey news stories can lead people astray.
 

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Oh no! Far from perfect but I think it's fair to say that we are morally superior to the behaviour depicted in that picture! Would you not agree? Is that behaviour that we could ever accept as suitable for Canada? I'm suggesting it's not and it never will be. And as I said already, not even with a model 94!
Yes we are sooooo morally superior aren't we?
 

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Biden did not "state publicly ahead of the trial without evidence Rittenhouse was a white supremacist"

In a campaign video Biden's team in a tweet showed a video of various street scenes including numerous white supremacists and militia groups marching in the streets in Kenosha and Portland which included a brief scene of Rittenhouse when Kenosha was mentioned. The caption to the video was "There’s no other way to put it: the President of the United States refused to disavow white supremacists on the debate stage last night." This spot was put out right after Trump's stupid exclamation "Proud Boys? Stand Back and Stand By." during the debates.
It was reckless for sure, he should think long and hard before he posts such things again.
 

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. Interestingly it appears he also testified that he didn't have a driver's license at the time. :unsure:

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Depending where one lives - those minor aspects are only an issue when someone gets in trouble for larger things.
Around here it is very common for kids to be driving "farm use only" tagged vehicles without a valid DL.
 

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It was reckless for sure, he should think long and hard before he posts such things again.

A Twitter post is a statement and is public; it was made ahead of the trial and without evidence; the statement and the video together imply Rittenhouse is a white supremacist. It's Joe Biden's Twitter account.

The current POTUS has been asleep for years, the odds of him having an actual are unlikely.
Someone probably asked him to hit post and then pushed his hand against the screen...
 

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The current POTUS has been asleep for years, the odds of him having an actual are unlikely.
Someone probably asked him to hit post and then pushed his hand against the screen...
You're closer to the action than we are. I do tend to get a bit off kilter when many Canadians tend to look down their noses at the USA, claiming moral superiority - then promptly book tickets to Disneyworld.
 

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Depending where one lives - those minor aspects are only an issue when someone gets in trouble for larger things.
Around here it is very common for kids to be driving "farm use only" tagged vehicles without a valid DL.

About every three days a child on a U.S. farm dies from an agriculture-related incident. Every day some 38 children are injured on a U.S. farm.

Machinery is involved in 25 percent of youth fatalities on a farm. Motor vehicles, including ATVs, account for 17 percent of youth farm fatalities and 16 percent result from drowning. Vehicles and machinery account for 73 percent of the deaths of working youth on farms.


Yup.

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The taxpayers of Kenosha may still be on the hook.

The father of Anthony Huber has filed a federal civil lawsuit, but not against Rittenhouse. It names the city and county of Kenosha, the sheriff, the acting and former police chiefs, and unnamed officers and deputies. The lawsuit accuses them of racial animus in allowing dozens of armed whites to remain among protesters, leading to conditions that resulted in Huber's death. The suit remains open.

Jacob Blake has filed a federal lawsuit against Rusten Shesky, the officer who shot him, claiming his use of deadly force was excessive, violated Blake's rights against unreasonable seizure, and was done with "malice, willfulness, and reckless indifference" to Blake's rights. The civil case remains ongoing.

Four protesters have sued the city and county of Kenosha. They allege the curfews were selectively enforced against protesters, while officers ignored, or even encouraged, armed men like Rittenhouse. It seeks to be certified as a class action on behalf of all the people cited for curfew violations.
 

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The taxpayers of Kenosha may still be on the hook.
The Huber suit is going to backfire badly. The City is going to point to the actions of Huber as what caused his death, talk about stupid people.

Jacob Blake case - OMFG - the guy was trying to forcibly take the children from their legal guardian - and he was shot legally by officers as they where stopping him from doing that. This one is a prime example of the MSM and certain people jumping to condemn the actions of LEO's before the facts where known.
Part of the tie goes to the runner aspect here for LE is what came out of Tennessee v. Garner.
- A Police Officer may use deadly force to prevent the escape of a fleeing suspect only if the officer has a good faith belief that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or other individuals.

It's generally referred to the Fleeing Felon rule in academies down here. The Blake case was a no contest issue - as he fit the bill and then some for lethal force to stop him.
 
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The Huber suit is going to backfire badly. The City is going to point to the actions of Huber as what caused his death, talk about stupid people.

Jacob Blake case - OMFG - the guy was trying to forcibly take the children from their legal guardian - and he was shot legally by officers as they where stopping him from doing that. This one is a prime example of the MSM and certain people jumping to condemn the actions of LEO's before the facts where known.
Part of the tie goes to the runner aspect here for LE is what came out of Tennessee v. Garner.
- A Police Officer may use deadly force to prevent the escape of a fleeing suspect only if the officer has a good faith belief that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or other individuals.

It's generally referred to the Fleeing Felon rule in academies down here. The Blake case was a no contest issue - as he fit the bill and then some for lethal force to stop him.
That's good to know. I hate seeing taxpayers get stuck with the tab.

The American system may work faster than the Canadian. We had a shooting in our town back in 2013. Holding his dick in one hand and a switchblade in the other.

The criminal case was dealt with long ago. But, still waiting for the family's $8 million dollar lawsuit against the City to work its way through the system. They haven't even had the inquest yet.
 

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4:05 PM

District attorney asks the public to "peacefully" accept the verdict​

Michael Graveley, the district attorney in Kenosha, issued a statement hours after the verdict. Graveley asked the public to peacefully accept the verdict.
"We respect the jury verdict based on three and a half days of careful deliberations. Certainly, issues regarding the privilege of self-defense remain highly contentious in our current times," Graveley said in a statement.
"We ask that all members of the public accept the verdicts peacefully and not resort to violence."
BY CLARE HYMES


And here was me thinking I had a right to life.
 

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Ziminski and Grosskreutz were armed whites, and "the protestors" and everyone else who stands behind them on that "side" of the issue seem to think it's no biggie.
 

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I don't think that is correct, according to court records he drove himself.
Rittenhouse Testified He Drove Himself to Kenosha Without Weapon

2. He crossed state lines. He lived 20 miles from Kenosha in Antioch, Ill., with his mother and sisters. But his father, grandmother, aunt, uncle, cousins and best friend live in Kenosha. He had a job as a lifeguard in Kenosha and worked a shift on Aug. 25 before helping clean graffiti left by rioters at a local school. There, he and his friend were invited to join other adults who had been asked by the owners of a used car lot in Kenosha to guard the property after 100 cars had been torched the previous night, when police abandoned the town to rioters. Kyle took his gun to protect himself, since the rioters were violent and armed, including, for instance, Antifa medic Gaige Grosskreutz, who lunged at him with a loaded Glock pointed at his head before he was shot in the arm.

5. Rittenhouse’s mother drove him across state lines to the riot. Wendy Rittenhouse, 46, never went to Kenosha. She slept late the morning of Aug. 25 after working a 16-hour shift at a nursing home near her home in Antioch, she told the Chicago Tribune. Kyle had already gone to his job in Kenosha when she woke up.


From the same article

3. Rittenhouse took an AR-15 across state lines. Esquire accused him of “terrorist tourism.” False. His rifle was kept in a safe at his best friend’s stepfather’s house in Kenosha.

4. The gun was illegal. Wrong. Under Wisconsin law, he was entitled to possess the AR-15 as a 17-year-old. The judge dismissed the gun charge, which the prosecution never should have brought
 
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I read the NYPD got put on mandated OT tonight.

NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio slammed the acquittal of Kyle Rittenhouse, exhorting his followers, “We can’t let this go”.

Business in NYC should probably board up their storefronts now. Home Depot is still open.
 

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And further to the gun


The current wording of the overarching law seems clear: “Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.” A lead-in paragraph defines dangerous weapon as several things, including “any firearm, loaded or unloaded.”

The subsection that defense attorneys relied upon to seek dismissal reads: “This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 ...” That section of law isn’t specific to minors, but rather forbids any person from having a short-barreled shotgun or rifle.

He could legally carry a weapon, he just couldn't purchase it. Nor could he, nor anybody else, carry it if it was a "dangerous" weapon ie one that was sawn off

 
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