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Maybe a thread split is on order.
This seems to have several divergent topics being discussed.
This seems to have several divergent topics being discussed.
MH can be directly linked to a physical injury - total agree.
As for PTSD diagnosis I leave that to mental health professionals. Someone can say that they suffer from PTSD but in reality it maybe something else. When I came back, I was warned by a good friend of mine, a nurse, not to disclosed what I experienced to my wife because she could suffer from a negative secondary effect because of me. The point that I was trying to make, but obviously failed, was that some people did not need to be directly exposed to a traumatic experience to suffer a mental health injury.
I recently retired from the CAF with over 35 years. Unfortunately for me, I can relate to these stories.You may feel I am callous about MH issues.. Nothing could be further from the truth. A very close friend served in Rwanda. He tried to commit suicide numerous times. He recounted the story to me when he had a 12 gauge stuck in his mouth, and the only thing that prevented him from pulling the trigger was that his arms were too short. On another occasion, he had attempted to hang himself in his shed, fortunately, his wife discovered him seconds after the attempt; she held him up while his then ten year old son cut the rope. When he did not show up to work, I wondered if he had finally succeeded.
I have several friends who served in the former Yugoslavia during the early nineties, they are now shadows of the people that I once knew, and I fear constantly for their well-being. I have had friends kill themselves as a result of service in Afghanistan. I miss them tremendously.
So perhaps you can understand my disdain for those who claim that "phanton honking" is something that I should care about, or that the news agency that crafted this "concern" is worth listening to. I have far more personal relationships, which in my estimation, are far more credible and critical, to concern myself with
I guess not....off my phone and onto the computer for a thread split.Right now they are entwined but let's keep this discussion on topic.
There are several MH threads on the forum.
This comes back to my point, that perhaps I wasn't clear enough about earlier. I'm not an expert, and I haven't stayed at a Holiday Inn in some time, but it seems like treating every complaint as equal is hurting our efforts at removing the stigma around MH.To be the devils advocate, does it make someone just a terrible human being for being a little judgemental at stories like this, or similar to this?
The DS solution is to treat everyone the same - and it's a good one. There's a stigma among CAF members where physical and mental health injures not inflicted on tour are somehow lesser. This guy being 3KMs away from the horn honking could be similar to someone in Mirage or Kuwait getting a MH injury for whatever.
But what if he was farther away? What if someone finds one of those pay as you go virtual doctor to sign off on them having MH issues because they watched a video of trucks in Ottawa honking and now they're afraid of trucks (and can't work) and think they hear horns. No one is going to argue with a doctor (unless the doctor says something unpopular about covid then they're morons, but I digress).
I've seen posts on twitter about how someone seeing a Canadian flag now "gives them PTSD". Before you laugh I know of a CAF member who is now claims he's getting physically sick when he see's a Canadian flag.
Do we run the risk of normalizing MH issues? Would that be a positive thing?
No Health issue is the same.This comes back to my point, that perhaps I wasn't clear enough about earlier. I'm not an expert, and I haven't stayed at a Holiday Inn in some time, but it seems like treating every complaint as equal is hurting our efforts at removing the stigma around MH.
The more we allow MH issues that seem to be minor to a reasonable person, dominate the coverage around MH, the more we reinforce the stigma that already exists. If the average Canadian reads that article and thinks "get over it", it reinforces the notion that a lot of MH issues are just weak people complaining.
I'm not a medical professional, but isn't anxiety potentially a sign of (low level) traumatization?Now, days after it is all over, almost every time I come back from my morning walk she asks: "Are they gone?" She knows they're gone, but she is anxious. Traumatized? No. Anxious. Anxiety is not something that one should experience in Canada's capital city, is it?
I'm not a medical professional, but isn't anxiety potentially a sign of (low level) traumatization?
I wouldn't be surprised if some folks in downtown Ottawa are legitimately traumatized from the convoy actions. The threshold varies, sometimes wildly, from person to person.
Anxiety is a normal reaction to stress and can be beneficial in some situations. It can alert us to dangers and help us prepare and pay attention. Anxiety disorders differ from normal feelings of nervousness or anxiousness and involve excessive fear or anxiety.
Mental health during and after protests, riots and revolutions: A systematic review
Protests, riots and revolutions have long been a part of human history and are increasing globally, yet their impact on mental health remains largely unknown. We therefore systematically reviewed studies on collective actions and mental health.
We searched PubMed, Web of Science, PsycINFO and CINAHL Plus for published studies from their inception until 1 January 2018. Study quality was rated using the Newcastle–Ottawa Scale.
We identified 52 studies (n = 57,487 participants) from 20 countries/regions. The prevalence of post-traumatic stress disorder ranged from 4% to 41% in riot-affected areas. Following a major protest, the prevalence of probable major depression increased by 7%, regardless of personal involvement in the protests, suggestive of community spillover effects. Risk factors for poorer mental health included female sex, lower socioeconomic status, exposure to violence, interpersonal conflicts, frequent social media use and lower resilience and social support. Nevertheless, two studies suggested that collective actions may reduce depression and suicide, possibly due to a collective cathartic experience and greater social cohesion within subpopulations.
We present the first systematic review of collective actions and mental health, showing compelling evidence that protests even when nonviolent can be associated with adverse mental health outcomes. Health care professionals therefore need to be vigilant to the mental and psychological sequelae of protests, riots and revolutions. Further research on this emerging sociopolitical determinant of mental health is warranted.
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Thanks for that.From the general . . .
To the specific . . . (specific being association with protests, riots and revolutions, that is)
And for those who don't expand the quote box or click the link.
". . . The prevalence of post-traumatic stress disorder ranged from 4% to 41% in riot-affected areas. Following a major protest, the prevalence of probable major depression increased by 7%, regardless of personal involvement in the protests, suggestive of community spillover effects . . . "
Anxiety is not something that one should experience in Canada's capital city, is it?
During the brief periods when the sound of honking horns subsides, the Plaintiff is unable to enjoy the relative quiet because she becomes riddled with anxious anticipation for the moment it will start up again. The Plaintiff has found this anxious anticipation almost as unbearable as the sounds of the horns themselves.
When the Plaintiff ventures outside, she is almost immediately subjected to heckling by members of the Freedom Convoy, yelling at her to remove the mask she wears to protect herself and others from contracting COVID-19. When she ignores the heckles, members of the Convoy respond by honking their horns which invariably causes the Plaintiff to flinch. When the Plaintiff flinches, the hecklers cheer loudly.
As any parent knows, lack of noise in young kids is suspicious!With the near constant noise for about two weeks that severely impacted people sleeping I'm sure it will take a while to adjust back to the old normal noise levels, and like any sailor knows, once you get accustomed to a certain noise level, nothing wakes you up faster then things suddenly being very quiet.