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garb811 said:
Not a problem, the changes aren't really fully understood across the CF MP Gp yet either.  The changes to candidate assessment are a trial run and will be re-evaluated after about a year.  At that point we could go back to full-blown MPAC/MPOACs, keep the changes or do something else entirely.

Obviously the biggest change is you don't travel to MPAC, the interviewer comes to you (unless you are geographically near a Base with an assessor) and the only thing remaining out of the "in person" MPAC/MPOAC process is the BII, so any of the open source documentation floating around related to the MPAC/MPOAC and what goes on is no longer valid.



I am sorry for my lack of knowledge with the abbreviations but what do you mean by BII?
 

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I am sorry for my lack of knowledge with the abbreviations but what do you mean by BII?
Background Integrity Interview
 

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Hi garb811,

After more than three months, I still have no news of the selection process. Is the said process ongoing for the MPO trade, or are they waiting?

Thanks a lot!
 

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Unfortunately the priority is the NCM files at the moment because, unfortunately, the timeline for getting someone through BMOQ and BMOQ-L for the next MPO course in Jan is pretty tight if you don't already have a date for BMOQ.
 

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Is there any new news about when they will be in the Halifax area or where they are currently?
The interviews are happening across Canada concurrently as there are interviewers at most Bases.  They have a list of candidates they are assigned to interview and go from there.
 

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I have my medical and interview coming up soon, but a company based in Montreal acting on behalf of the CF appears to be conducting a background investigation as they have contacted numerous employers and references. Is this a new stage?
 

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MPapplicant said:
I have my medical and interview coming up soon, but a company based in Montreal acting on behalf of the CF appears to be conducting a background investigation as they have contacted numerous employers and references. Is this a new stage?
No, it is the same Reliability check that is done on all CAF applicants.
 

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Hello everyone ; I’m currently serving with the reserve force as a military police member in the Winnipeg area. I have approximately 1 year left in my criminal justice degree before I request a CT to reg force mp.

However I have had a drivers suspension approximately 2 years ago including
- wreckless driving ( flooring vehicle :( )

- 130 in a 100 zone

- 3 at fault accidents

9 month suspension.

I have been clean for 2 years now , I will be buying back 2 claims resulting in two at fault accidents being erased from my abstract.


I have also received a charge related to assault with a weapon approx 3 years ago, I was attacked in my sleep by an ex and hit her with a stick. Yes LoL a stick and put a small bruise on her arm this resulted in a non conviction and did not even make it to court. It was a bs charge and the person who charged me called the police and told them they completely lied and attacked me in my sleep prior to me defending myself resulting in a stay of proceedings.


Can anyone please advise if this is a problem for military police recruiting? The CFRC mentioned it MAY be a problem, however I am still quite unsure.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Should I pursue another occupation in the military if this is problematic.


I have received a reg force infantry offer after this incident , but decided to pursue reserve force instead if this helps.
 

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End of the day, there is only one way to get the definitive answer and that is to go through the process and see what the results are.

What I will say is, take a look at it from the side of someone looking at you as a potential MP.  Give it a shot but be prepared.
 

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Stinton93 said:
Hello everyone ; I’m currently serving with the reserve force as a military police member in the Winnipeg area. I have approximately 1 year left in my criminal justice degree before I request a CT to reg force mp.

However I have had a drivers suspension approximately 2 years ago including
- wreckless driving ( flooring vehicle :( )

- 130 in a 100 zone

- 3 at fault accidents

9 month suspension.

I have been clean for 2 years now , I will be buying back 2 claims resulting in two at fault accidents being erased from my abstract.


I have also received a charge related to assault with a weapon approx 3 years ago, I was attacked in my sleep by an ex and hit her with a stick. Yes LoL a stick and put a small bruise on her arm this resulted in a non conviction and did not even make it to court. It was a bs charge and the person who charged me called the police and told them they completely lied and attacked me in my sleep prior to me defending myself resulting in a stay of proceedings.


Can anyone please advise if this is a problem for military police recruiting? The CFRC mentioned it MAY be a problem, however I am still quite unsure.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Should I pursue another occupation in the military if this is problematic.


I have received a reg force infantry offer after this incident , but decided to pursue reserve force instead if this helps.

You would be surprised who the MP take.  More than 75%+ who apply get in (ball park estimate).  If you want to know the specific numbers of how many applied and how many were successful just do an access to information, very easy to do.  The standard to get into the MP is much lower than the civilian police side as most major city services will take in about 10% of applicants.  Civi side gets the cream of the crop and MP get everyone else who wanted to be a civi cop but didn't or couldn't.  There are of course some exceptions but most would fall into that category in my opinion.  As a reserve MP you may or may not have to do the MPAC or whatever they call it these days.  Can't say for sure though. 

The MP can be a good experience to do some interesting jobs and get some work experience but your policing experience will be very limited in nature and your chain of command will not likely have a tremendous amount of actual policing experience.  Again, there are some exceptions but generally speaking that's how it goes.  The MP branch as a whole doesn't really have alot of policing knowledge as the members are too mobile and the call volume is too low to really get the police experience.  In my opinion this prevents the MP from being effective as a branch of the military that conducts policing duties.  Not anyone's fault its just the way things are when you give limited and highly restrictive police duties to what should really be a security only branch.  I'm not putting the MP down but that is just the reality of how things are. 

I would just apply and see what happens.  They will have mandatory timelines that would have had to elapse for specific types of driving offences.  I don't know what those are but it may or may not be accessible through access to information.  The non-conviction shouldn't be an issue as long as you explain it.
 

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Not all wrong here for sure, however, depending on what base your on you can be very busy in terms of policing. You go to any of the combat arms bases such as Edmonton, Petawawa, or Valcartier, you’ll stay pretty busy as an MP. There are a plethora of different branches you can go into with the MP trade which is nice like CP, NIS, MPSS those kinds of things if that’s what your into. But yah we definitely do have bases that our very slow in terms of policing. All depends on how proactive you are as well. In regard to him being a reserve MP, he will still have to do a BII before completing a CT.

Also, Jitterbug, I find your comment about MP getting the civi cop rejects unfair. Sure in some case that may be true, however, even in my case I wanted to join the MP from the start because of how fast one can move up in the trade in regards to specialization. Also, the fact that we can get tours is an excellent aspect as well. There are a lot of MP that I know that haven’t tried out for other police forces. So I find your statement to not be entirely true.
 

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Not all wrong here for sure, however, depending on what base your on you can be very busy in terms of policing. You go to any of the combat arms bases such as Edmonton, Petawawa, or Valcartier, you’ll stay pretty busy as an MP. There are a plethora of different branches you can go into with the MP trade which is nice like CP, NIS, MPSS those kinds of things if that’s what your into. But yah we definitely do have bases that our very slow in terms of policing. All depends on how proactive you are as well. In regard to him being a reserve MP, he will still have to do a BII before completing a CT.

Also, Jitterbug, I find your comment about MP getting the civi cop rejects unfair. Sure in some case that may be true, however, even in my case I wanted to join the MP from the start because of how fast one can move up in the trade in regards to specialization. Also, the fact that we can get tours is an excellent aspect as well. There are a lot of MP that I know that haven’t tried out for other police forces. So I find your statement to not be entirely true.

Even on a combat arms base you would not have nearly the volume and diversity of calls civi police get in any major Canadian city.  A civi cop in a large city can have over 300 arrests in their first year on the job.  No MP in the branch has 300 arrests in their career.  300 arrests, 10%+ will go to court, that's 30+ court appearances a year.  That is a considerable amount more court time in one year than most MP will have in their career.  Most MP will get smoked in civi court by a good lawyer due to lack of court experience.  It is well known in the legal atmosphere in my jurisdiction. 

As for my comment on civi cop rejects, I'm only speaking from my own observations and what I believe to be true based on those observations.  I did however add the caveat that there are of courses exceptions.  I can appreciate your perspective though.
 

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jitterbug said:
Even on a combat arms base you would not have nearly the volume and diversity of calls civi police get in any major Canadian city.  A civi cop in a large city can have over 300 arrests in their first year on the job.  No MP in the branch has 300 arrests in their career.  300 arrests, 10%+ will go to court, that's 30+ court appearances a year.  That is a considerable amount more court time in one year than most MP will have in their career.  Most MP will get smoked in civi court by a good lawyer due to lack of court experience.  It is well known in the legal atmosphere in my jurisdiction. 

As for my comment on civi cop rejects, I'm only speaking from my own observations and what I believe to be true based on those observations.  I did however add the caveat that there are of courses exceptions.  I can appreciate your perspective though.

So I guess the RCMP and smaller agencies that patrol through out Canada are in the same boat.  After all they aren't necessarily in major centers.  Based on your comments it would appear that you obviously got burned on your time in and that you're pretty bitter.  I'm sorry that happened to you, but  hey each to their own I guess
 

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So I guess the RCMP and smaller agencies that patrol through out Canada are in the same boat.  After all they aren't necessarily in major centers.  Based on your comments it would appear that you obviously got burned on your time in and that you're pretty bitter.  I'm sorry that happened to you, but  hey each to their own I guess

I don't have much experience with smaller police services so I can't comment on that.  However, the difference in the RCMP is that they have members with loads of experience in their service.  No one in Snr MP leadership has police experience and they write policy on what MP do.  Everyone in the RCMP is from the ground up.  As well there are alot of Snr MP NCM that have very little police experience and in my opinion don't have the capability to properly manage people engaged in more complex policing situations as a result.  Just because you are an MP for 15 years doesn't mean you have done alot of policing.  There is an overall general lack of police experience in the branch.  If anyone said different I would say that is not accurate at all. 

I never got burned at all.  In fact the MP padded my resume nicely for me to move on to better things.  I enjoyed my time for the most part but if your primary interest is policing or experiencing a wide variety of calls than in my opinion the MP is the wrong occupation for you.  The MP branch is more Security(+) rather than Policing(-).  I think the CF should make MP security specialists (including physical, IT and person) and leave policing to the experts, police services.
 

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jitterbug said:
I don't have much experience with smaller police services so I can't comment on that.  However, the difference in the RCMP is that they have members with loads of experience in their service.  No one in Snr MP leadership has police experience and they write policy on what MP do.  Everyone in the RCMP is from the ground up.  As well there are alot of Snr MP NCM that have very little police experience and in my opinion don't have the capability to properly manage people engaged in more complex policing situations as a result.  Just because you are an MP for 15 years doesn't mean you have done alot of policing.  There is an overall general lack of police experience in the branch.  If anyone said different I would say that is not accurate at all. 

I never got burned at all.  In fact the MP padded my resume nicely for me to move on to better things.  I enjoyed my time for the most part but if your primary interest is policing or experiencing a wide variety of calls than in my opinion the MP is the wrong occupation for you.  The MP branch is more Security(+) rather than Policing(-).  I think the CF should make MP security specialists (including physical, IT and person) and leave policing to the experts, police services.

Still, maybe, you could air your dirty laundry somewhere else.
 

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Jitterbug has the right to an opinion. You have the right to disagree. But perhaps instead of labeling an opinion "dirty laundry", you could add to the discussion by addressing the points raised...

 

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Jitterbug has the right to an opinion. You have the right to disagree. But perhaps instead of labeling an opinion "dirty laundry", you could add to the discussion by addressing the points raised...

This is not the appropriate forum to do so. This is about MPAC, not about someone's opinions on whether MP members are civilian force rejects and the scale of ineptitude of our various command staff.
 
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