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Non-Jumping Paras and Scots Sharing Kilts

Kirkhill

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No worries about telling it like you see it, nor any need to be over-zealous in conforming.  Just a night at the pub with mates.

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The Rifleman said:
Don't you think that "our Colonial Cousins" sounds good? Its not an insult - just an affectionate term.

As for the Septics - they do have some excellent kit - but the way they go about business in foreign lands does beg the question "do we copy them or do what is right?" I'm not anti US, far from it, just they don't have the common sense to operate with regard for human life.

I have operated with and trained alongside Canadian forces and believe me - you do not need to lower your standards to keep in with the folks down south!

You're way off base with some of these comments.  Calling American Soldiers and Marines "septics" is just flat-out wrong, especially since they're fighting and dying. There isn't anything I can see in this post that's "affectionate", no matter how you stretch that word.
 

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The term septic for Americans is a slang word used by British Soldiers - Septic Tank = Yank

Its not an assertion as to how we see them

The "affectionate" to calling Canadians colonials - and it was a question - that's why there was a ? at the end of the sentance. I was only asking as I would like to know how you felt for future reference.


Oh, by the way, a "Ginger" is a fellow who would have felt at ease in the company of Oscar Wilde!  ;)
 

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Rifleman,

Rhyming slang is not in general use in Canada. Most of us here in the Great White North miss the intent behind it.

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R6 - Trouble = Wife (Trouble and Strife)
      C*ck = Barrow (Cocksparrow) - a barrow is what the street vendors used to sell from in London
      Apples = Stairs (Apples and Pears)
      My Old Ginger = Queer (Ginger Beer)

Septic falls into the same category.  Unfortunately, unless you're a Brit, it doesn't necessarily play well.  As noted elsewhere we're a culture that has got used to slagging each other in a friendly fashion and having equally friendly punch-ups as a result.  ;)

Edit: Flamin' Nora, the filter won't even let me use the word for a male bird or a tap to describe a barrow.
     
 

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Rhyming slang is still used in East London, but so is "Mickey Mouse" slang - that is made up slang. The original idea of Cockney rhyming slang was to allow market traders to talk about their dodgy dealings without the Police or their informants understanding a word of what was being said. So, as you mentioned, an effeminate fellow was a Ginger. That is  Ginger Beer = queer. But to throw off the cops only the first part that didn't rhyme with the intended word association was used. Nowadays you can hear people saying that they haven't got a "Scooby Doo" when they haven't got a clue - its not the same but its getting used more often than not, especially from those outside London that never really understood the subtleties of rhyming slang.
 

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The "Colonials" bit reminds of an incident that happened when Cooperative Best Effort was held in Canada; The Commander of the UK contingent was a Major, and when they rehearsed the opening ceremony, he requested that "God Save The Queen" be played; but the protocol states that only the host-country's anthem be played, so he refused to salute during the "O Canada". In the end, he decided that the UK contingent would not participate in the opening ceremonies. Just goes to show (again) that there are idiots everywhere...

Now regarding the Kilts, frankly in my opinion it is not a priority; we hear a lot of complaints from the Brits about equipment defiencies in their 2 major theater of Ops. When you have to choose between PPE and ceremonial eqpt, the decision is easy.
Now regarding Para trg, my guess is they will limit it to SF.
 

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The Labor government continues to whittle away at Britain's defense establishment.Very sad to see.Socialism doesnt work and unless the UK and Europe move toward a US type economy the budget woes will only get worse.

Sorry to say, but your system sucks as well. There has to be a balance between give and take.
 

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Jungle said:
When you have to choose between PPE and ceremonial eqpt, the decision is easy.

Maybe I'm way off base here, but if I'm not mistaken, in Canada, the ceremonial dress money comes from the Regiments and NPF, correct? So if the unit wants to buy kilts and puttees and pithe helmets, they are more than welcome to, but the CF is not on the hook for it.

Would this system have some use in the UK? Force the individual units to spring for their own ceremonial dress, and let the military concentrate on equipping soldiers for war?

I'm not advocating a complete seperation with tradition here, but it is rather wasteful to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars so that a unit can wear an order of dress with no modern relevance twice a year.
 

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GO!!! said:
Maybe I'm way off base here, but if I'm not mistaken, in Canada, the ceremonial dress money comes from the Regiments and NPF, correct? So if the unit wants to buy kilts and puttees and pithe helmets, they are more than welcome to, but the CF is not on the hook for it.

Would this system have some use in the UK? Force the individual units to spring for their own ceremonial dress, and let the military concentrate on equipping soldiers for war?

I'm not advocating a complete seperation with tradition here, but it is rather wasteful to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars so that a unit can wear an order of dress with no modern relevance twice a year.

Kilts are CF supplied, only ceremonial dress is puchased for the Regt by the Regt or Guilds. Each Regt does get some monies for those. But it is very small. Only the Foot Guards, Fort Henrys, RNBRs and some other tourist Regts get theirs paid, as I believe out of a tourism.
 

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Recce41 said:
Kilts are CF supplied, only ceremonial dress is puchased for the Regt by the Regt or Guilds. Each Regt does get some monies for those. But it is very small. Only the Foot Guards, Fort Henrys, RNBRs and some other tourist Regts get theirs paid, as I believe out of a tourism.

Now there's an idea for the brits!

If someone (outside of the UK military) wants a platoon/coy/bn on parade in Kilts, let them pay for it!

Perhaps the cost could be downloaded to a tourism organisation, private industry, or, god forbid, the world's richest woman herself, the queen!
 

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Our cerimonial dress is paid from the association, which is scewing the boys I say. But this goes to show that there must be a world shortage of Kilts.
 

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GO!!! said:
Now there's an idea for the brits!

If someone (outside of the UK military) wants a platoon/coy/bn on parade in Kilts, let them pay for it!

Perhaps the cost could be downloaded to a tourism organisation, private industry, or, god forbid, the world's richest woman herself, the queen!

Highland Regts are entitled to kilts bought and payed for by the Goverment. They are not ceramonials, they are just as for our DEUs. I still have my kilt from the E&Ks when I left. I payed extra for the double pleats.
 

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I think people are missing the point here.  It's not that the UK Gov't is being "cheap" or insisting that the new "Royal Scots" go "mini".... It is a new regiment and a new tartan has been designed, approved and a test batch has been produced.  More are on order - it just takes time to generate a full blown contract to weave and produce an adequate number of Kilts for all ranks.

Because the UK military is in the process of a major restructuring of it's forces - things are moving a tad bit faster than some traditionalists might prefer but.... they're moving forward.
 

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Another point on the kilt issue is worry about operational equipment and weapons first. Non essential things like new uniforms can wait.

I never heard of a soldier dying in Iraq or Afghanistan because he didn't have a new kilt.
 

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though buying a kilt is big bucks to the private individual making a lone purchase, buying 1-2000 kilts is chump change to a gov't willing to cough up MM£ to buy such things as Planes, tracks & armoured cars / Ships, Subs & fancy floating things.

Don't think it's a big issue when the gov't wants to do something.....
Take a look at what Ottawa did when it finaly decided it wanted C17/C130Js, M777s & more troops... out came the checkbook and voila!!!
 

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As to the names or handles given to different geographical peoples, e.g, Brits, Tommyknockers colonials etc, If you've spent  some time in the military you would have worked with different militaries and these names are just what they are, "harmelss banter". To take them to seriously, takes politically correctness to a new level. I think most people on this site has or had some affiliation with the military and should have heard most of these terms during their military careers. (If your just starting your career, you'll eventually hear them)

Spend a few nights night out on the town with the boys (Brits & Canadians )in jolly old London and you'll hear all kinds of labels for us in North Americans, if you took everyone of them to heart, you take yourself way to seriuosly.

Rifleman i don't know if you know any of the old boys from the "Royal Glouchester Rgmt", they are our sister regiment to the "Royal Canadian regiment" . When stationed in Baden Germany we had the opertunity to work with them every year in the UK. Great bunch of blokes!! Had many a great night out with these guys in London, they always treated us well and showed us a good time! Some of the best tmes where sitting in a small out of the way pub with a glass of beer singing our fool hearts out and ribbing each other ;D

If you take yourself to seriously, your missing the point, "Know what i mean, Nudge, Nudge"
Eric Idle -Monty Python-

 

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Small hijack

GO!!! said:
the world's richest woman herself, the queen!

Sorry, GO!!!, but the queen isn't even the richest woman in UK, JK Rowling is :) !

JK Rowling has become the world's richest author and the richest woman in the UK.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts/4672971.stm

But even before JK, the queen wasn't the richest...

The richest woman in Britain is Lady Grantchester, whose fortune of one-point-five-billion-pounds
more than two billion dollars is reported to make her some six times wealthier than the Queen.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/316498.stm

I presumed that they put a distinction in between the Queen's owns and the Crown possessions
 
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