Officer Responsabilities

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Posted by Albert King <aking@mb.sympatico.ca> on Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:17:24 0000
After reading some old messages on this form I was wondering what does
an infantry officer platoon commander do? Do they ever get involved in
fights, what kinds of equipment do they use?
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Posted by "Michael Neil" <barra_kismul@hotmail.com> on Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:33:01 EDT
Albert,
I‘m a little confused! Excuse my ignorance, but who are you and how did you
get my E-mail address? Also, why the questions?
Mac
>From: Albert King
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>Subject: Officer Responsabilities
>Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:17:24 0000
>
>After reading some old messages on this form I was wondering what does
>an infantry officer platoon commander do? Do they ever get involved in
>fights, what kinds of equipment do they use?
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Posted by Albert King <aking@mb.sympatico.ca> on Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:37:02 0000
I was trying to send this to the Canadian Army Mailing List but I have just
learned that the list has been down since Aug. 1 so I‘ll try later. Sorry about
that.
Michael Neil wrote:
> Albert,
>
> I‘m a little confused! Excuse my ignorance, but who are you and how did you
> get my E-mail address? Also, why the questions?
>
> Mac
>
> >From: Albert King
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> >To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
> >Subject: Officer Responsabilities
> >Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:17:24 0000
> >
> >After reading some old messages on this form I was wondering what does
> >an infantry officer platoon commander do? Do they ever get involved in
> >fights, what kinds of equipment do they use?
> >
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Posted by "The MacFarlanes‘" <desrtrat@amug.org> on Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:14:41 -0700
Was this list not functioning for awhile? I haven‘t seen any activity for a
week or two....
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Subject: Officer Responsabilities
> After reading some old messages on this form I was wondering what does
> an infantry officer platoon commander do? Do they ever get involved in
> fights, what kinds of equipment do they use?
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Posted by "Michael Neil" <barra_kismul@hotmail.com> on Sat, 12 Aug 2000 12:13:34 EDT
I‘m not sure I know what you mean. I only signed up a little over a week
ago. I did recieve an odd message from someone named Albert King
aking@mb.sympatico.ca, but he later replied that it was an error. I‘m a
little confused as to what is going on!
mac
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>To:
>Subject: Re: Officer Responsabilities
>Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:14:41 -0700
>
>Was this list not functioning for awhile? I haven‘t seen any activity for a
>week or two....
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Albert King"
>To:
>Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 6:17 AM
>Subject: Officer Responsabilities
>
>
> > After reading some old messages on this form I was wondering what does
> > an infantry officer platoon commander do? Do they ever get involved in
> > fights, what kinds of equipment do they use?
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Posted by Juno847627709@aol.com on Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:47:58 EDT
Well, it would seem as though no one has answered your question as of yet,
so, although I don‘t know a whole lot, I‘ll give it a try.
To the best of my understanding, a platoon commander‘s first respnsibility is
command of his troops, in order to win the day\capture the objective or
whatever. I would think that after he has passed his proposed strategy down
to his NCO‘s and has seen that his plans are being carried out, he could
either lead the charge, or attatch himself to a section of soldiers and join
the fight.
I personally plan to be an infantry officer one day, and I hope to be one
of the kind who will do the "grunt" stuff with his troops after appropriate
command taskings have been taken care of. I think that‘d build strong
cohesion among the platoon, thus making command a little less troublesome, as
ideally, you‘d have less insubordinate troops.
And for the first few months, the platoon warrant basically tells the
officer how to run the show, in the most respectful manner possible, so
really, you won‘t have to do anything you‘re not ready for.
All of what I have said is theoretical, as I have no real experience, but
I think it‘s pretty close to being right.
-Matt
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Posted by "dave" <dave.newcombe@home.com> on Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:06:07 -0700
i don‘t think, if I were a plt.WO, i would want my commander in doing grunt
stuff. while troops are in the field, and especially if they were engaged,
I would want him directing the platoon. I would not want someone
questioning my sect. comms about running thier section. He can not be part
of the big picture, if he is getting involved in sect. manouvers. I f he is
trying to take out a bunker with another section, how can he call for fire
support for mine? who arranges resupply, or cas-evac? who reports to
higher, to co-ordinate with the larger battlecoy and bat levels.
No thank you, I would respect my P/C plenty if he did his job to the best of
his ability, it is a full time duty, not part time.
When we are over run and being ****-kicked, he will have plenty of time to
act like a grunt and fire his weapon.
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Posted by RTerryr2@aol.com on Sun, 13 Aug 2000 15:37:51 EDT
Dave, you are 100 right.
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Posted by Juno847627709@aol.com on Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:45:16 EDT
Well, you make perfect sense, and as I said, I was speculating in my naivety.
-Matt
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Posted by Juno847627709@aol.com on Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:47:49 EDT
As we are talking of Officer Responsibilities, I‘d like to ask the question:
How does the newly commissioned platoon commander gain the respect of his men?
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Posted by "Michael O‘Leary" <moleary@psphalifax.ns.ca> on Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:34:41 -0400
----- Original Message -----
From: Monday, August 14, 2000 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: Officer Responsabilities
> As we are talking of Officer Responsibilities, I‘d like to ask the
question:
> How does the newly commissioned platoon commander gain the respect of his
men?
Honesty.
Integrity.
Demonstrating that his her platoon is more important than hisher career.
Displaying trust to earn the troops trust.
Professional competence, or, when necessary, admittance that one doesn‘t
have the answer, but will get it AND DOES.
An understanding approach and willingness to listen to the troops‘ problems
and to help them as much as possible.
An ability to openly consider the opinions of the NCOs in all matters, but
without relinquiching the reight and duty to make decisions.
A willingness to share hardship, but not to be confused with taking an equal
share of every heavy task - an exhausted commander cannot lead exhausted
troops.
A readiness to demonstrate that prevailing regulations will be upheld in a
fair and consistent manner.
Just my own humble opinion.
Mike
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Posted by "John Pullman" <jpullman@bserv.com> on Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:52:25 -0700
Good one Sir!
Whole heartedly agree.
WO Pullman JL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael O‘Leary"
To:
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: Officer Responsabilities
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Monday, August 14, 2000 8:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Officer Responsabilities
>
> > As we are talking of Officer Responsibilities, I‘d like to ask the
> question:
> > How does the newly commissioned platoon commander gain the respect of
his
> men?
>
>
> Honesty.
> Integrity.
> Demonstrating that his her platoon is more important than hisher
career.
> Displaying trust to earn the troops trust.
> Professional competence, or, when necessary, admittance that one doesn‘t
> have the answer, but will get it AND DOES.
> An understanding approach and willingness to listen to the troops‘
problems
> and to help them as much as possible.
> An ability to openly consider the opinions of the NCOs in all matters, but
> without relinquiching the reight and duty to make decisions.
> A willingness to share hardship, but not to be confused with taking an
equal
> share of every heavy task - an exhausted commander cannot lead exhausted
> troops.
> A readiness to demonstrate that prevailing regulations will be upheld in a
> fair and consistent manner.
>
>
> Just my own humble opinion.
>
> Mike
> http://regimentalrogue.tripod.com/index.htm
>
>
>
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Posted by "The MacFarlanes‘" <desrtrat@amug.org> on Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:38:45 -0700
Exhibiting common sense, listening to his NCOs when needed, showing
firmness, with compassion treating everyone the same, and fairly always
putting the needs of his troops ahead of his own, and also, the Regiment
ahead of himselfor herself, I guess willing to work hard, have a sense of
humour able to mingle with the men, without fraternizing. I‘ve worked for a
few like this, a lot who weren‘t. Idealistic, perhaps, but a good place to
start.
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> As we are talking of Officer Responsibilities, I‘d like to ask the
question:
> How does the newly commissioned platoon commander gain the respect of his
men?
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Posted by "The MacFarlanes‘" <desrtrat@amug.org> on Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:41:25 -0700
Well said, Mr O‘Leary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael O‘Leary"
To:
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: Officer Responsabilities
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Monday, August 14, 2000 8:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Officer Responsabilities
>
> > As we are talking of Officer Responsibilities, I‘d like to ask the
> question:
> > How does the newly commissioned platoon commander gain the respect of
his
> men?
>
>
> Honesty.
> Integrity.
> Demonstrating that his her platoon is more important than hisher
career.
> Displaying trust to earn the troops trust.
> Professional competence, or, when necessary, admittance that one doesn‘t
> have the answer, but will get it AND DOES.
> An understanding approach and willingness to listen to the troops‘
problems
> and to help them as much as possible.
> An ability to openly consider the opinions of the NCOs in all matters, but
> without relinquiching the reight and duty to make decisions.
> A willingness to share hardship, but not to be confused with taking an
equal
> share of every heavy task - an exhausted commander cannot lead exhausted
> troops.
> A readiness to demonstrate that prevailing regulations will be upheld in a
> fair and consistent manner.
>
>
> Just my own humble opinion.
>
> Mike
> http://regimentalrogue.tripod.com/index.htm
>
>
>
>
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Posted by Juno847627709@aol.com on Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:59:55 EDT
Well it seems that you have hit the nail right on the head. Well said, Mike.
-Matt
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Posted by "Nick Butler" <absolut_nick@hotmail.com> on Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:11:39 EDT
Indeed well put. Thanks a lot for the information, I am in the process of
applying to the Militia as an infantry officer, and the wisdom in these two
posts will help me greatly in doing so. Thanks again!
>From: "The MacFarlanes‘"
>Reply-To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
>To:
>Subject: Re: Officer Responsabilities
>Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:41:25 -0700
>
>Well said, Mr O‘Leary
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Michael O‘Leary"
>To:
>Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 7:34 PM
>Subject: Re: Officer Responsabilities
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Monday, August 14, 2000 8:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: Officer Responsabilities
> >
> > > As we are talking of Officer Responsibilities, I‘d like to ask the
> > question:
> > > How does the newly commissioned platoon commander gain the respect of
>his
> > men?
> >
> >
> > Honesty.
> > Integrity.
> > Demonstrating that his her platoon is more important than hisher
>career.
> > Displaying trust to earn the troops trust.
> > Professional competence, or, when necessary, admittance that one doesn‘t
> > have the answer, but will get it AND DOES.
> > An understanding approach and willingness to listen to the troops‘
>problems
> > and to help them as much as possible.
> > An ability to openly consider the opinions of the NCOs in all matters,
>but
> > without relinquiching the reight and duty to make decisions.
> > A willingness to share hardship, but not to be confused with taking an
>equal
> > share of every heavy task - an exhausted commander cannot lead exhausted
> > troops.
> > A readiness to demonstrate that prevailing regulations will be upheld in
>a
> > fair and consistent manner.
> >
> >
> > Just my own humble opinion.
> >
> > Mike
> > http://regimentalrogue.tripod.com/index.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Posted by "Dave Thiffault" <thif77@hotmail.com> on Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:44:09 GMT
By staying the **** out of the way!!!!
>From: Juno847627709@aol.com
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>To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
>Subject: Re: Officer Responsabilities
>Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:47:49 EDT
>
>As we are talking of Officer Responsibilities, I‘d like to ask the
>question:
>How does the newly commissioned platoon commander gain the respect of his
>men?
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Posted by Derrick Forsythe <Derrick.Forsythe@gov.ab.ca> on Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:49:28 -0600
That doesn‘t work either - officers don‘t command from behind desk chairs -
it‘s their job to ensure their direction is being followed - the difficulty
is how they meet that objective.
To stay out of the way hands over command authority, by default, to the NCOs
-- and that is wrong
> -----Original Message-----
> Fromave Thiffault [SMTP:thif77@hotmail.com]
> Sent:Tuesday, August 15, 2000 9:44 AM
> To:army@cipherlogic.on.ca
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>
> By staying the **** out of the way!!!!
>
>
> >From: Juno847627709@aol.com
> >Reply-To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
> >To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
> >Subject: Re: Officer Responsabilities
> >Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:47:49 EDT
> >
> >As we are talking of Officer Responsibilities, I‘d like to ask the
> >question:
> >How does the newly commissioned platoon commander gain the respect of his
>
> >men?
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Posted by "Todd Harris" <harris@nortelnetworks.com> on Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:50:07 -0400
This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand
this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.
Good Reply Dave. I‘m sure that excellent piece of advice will help instil
knowledge in all future Platoon Commanders. If you don‘t have constructive
answers/suggestions, then please keep them to yourself.
Actually I‘ve found that one of the best ways to gain the respect of your
men is to let them do their job and you do yours. Ask lots of questions to
those with more time in. Not necessarily Rank or age. And as mentioned
earlier, if you don‘t know the answer, say so and find out what it is.
Todd Harris
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Thiffault [mailto:thif77@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 11:44
To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
Subject: Re: Officer Responsabilities
By staying the **** out of the way!!!!
>From: Juno847627709@aol.com
>Reply-To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
>To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
>Subject: Re: Officer Responsabilities
>Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:47:49 EDT
>
>As we are talking of Officer Responsibilities, I‘d like to ask the
>question:
>How does the newly commissioned platoon commander gain the respect of his
>men?
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RE: Officer Responsibilities
Good Reply Dave. I‘m sure that excellent piece
of advice will help instil knowledge in all future Platoon
Commanders. If you don‘t have constructive answers/suggestions,
then please keep them to yourself.
Actually I‘ve found that one of the best ways to gain
the respect of your men is to let them do their job and you do
yours. Ask lots of questions to those with more time in. Not
necessarily Rank or age. And as mentioned earlier, if you don‘t
know the answer, say so and find out what it is.
Todd Harris
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Thiffault [mailto:thif77@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 11:44
To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
Subject: Re: Officer Responsabilities
By staying the **** out of the way!!!!
gtFrom: Juno847627709@aol.com
gtReply-To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
gtTo: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
gtSubject: Re: Officer Responsabilities
gtDate: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:47:49 EDT
gt
gtAs we are talking of Officer Responsibilities,
I‘d like to ask the
gtquestion:
gtHow does the newly commissioned platoon
commander gain the respect of his
gtmen?
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Posted by "Dave Thiffault" <thif77@hotmail.com> on Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:19:43 GMT
In my experience, young officers over enthusiastic about getting involved in
troop/platoon workings often act as a detriment. Troop/platoon cmdrs should
know when to lead and when to hand over the reigns. Who needs your young
cmd hanging over your shoulder while you try and clean equip?
>From: "Todd Harris"
>Reply-To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
>To: "‘army@cipherlogic.on.ca‘"
>Subject: RE: Officer Responsibilities
>Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:50:07 -0400
>
>Good Reply Dave. I‘m sure that excellent piece of advice will help instil
>knowledge in all future Platoon Commanders. If you don‘t have constructive
>answers/suggestions, then please keep them to yourself.
>
>Actually I‘ve found that one of the best ways to gain the respect of your
>men is to let them do their job and you do yours. Ask lots of questions to
>those with more time in. Not necessarily Rank or age. And as mentioned
>earlier, if you don‘t know the answer, say so and find out what it is.
>
>
>Todd Harris
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dave Thiffault [mailto:thif77@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 11:44
>To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
>Subject: Re: Officer Responsabilities
>
>
>By staying the **** out of the way!!!!
>
>
> >From: Juno847627709@aol.com
> >Reply-To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
> >To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
> >Subject: Re: Officer Responsabilities
> >Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:47:49 EDT
> >
> >As we are talking of Officer Responsibilities, I‘d like to ask the
> >question:
> >How does the newly commissioned platoon commander gain the respect of his
> >men?
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