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Our soldiers ‘deserve US-style parades' (says head of British Army)

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2507825.ece
Our soldiers ‘deserve US-style parades'

Michael Evans, Defence Editor The Times September 22, 2007

British soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan should be welcomed home as heroes and honoured with parades in their local towns, General Sir Richard Dannatt, head of the Army, said yesterday.

Looking enviously at the treatment of returning troops in the United States, where ticker-tape parades and bands are commonplace, General Dannatt said he was worried that there was a widening gulf between the members of the Armed Forces and the public. He blamed it partly on the “demonstrably unpopular war in Iraq” and, by association, what was “deemed to be an unpopular war in Afghanistan”.

General Dannatt urged councils to consider arranging parades for returning regiments based in their areas, and called on football clubs to offer free tickets to soldiers who had spent six months in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Parades in their home towns organised by local councils would make them “feel good”, he said. He made his appeal during a speech on the future of the Army at the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London.

General Dannatt said: “We don’t ask for sympathy when we are doing what we are paid to do. But we do what we do in the nation’s name. They are not supermen, but soldiers need to know that they are respected for their acts of selflessness and courage . . . and for their commitment.”

The general, who is Chief of the General Staff, has made previous public pronouncements about the importance of the so-called military covenant between the Armed Forces and the Government and nation they serve. But yesterday he went farther. “In the United States, appreciation of the Armed Forces is nothing short of outstanding and I would like to see some of that reflected here,” he said.

When the troops returned home from the Falklands conflict in 1982, thousands of people lined the harbour at Portsmouth to welcome them; and victory parades were held in London after the Falklands campaign and after the 1991 Gulf War.

“Soldiers are genuinely concerned when they come back from Iraq to hear the population that sent them being occasionally dismissive. We are in danger of sapping at our volunteer Army’s willingness to serve in such an atmosphere again,” he said.

The head of the Army fully acknowledged that the public’s perception of the two campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan was unfavourable. But the operation in Afghanistan, he said, was “misunderstood”. It was wrong to describe it as Britain’s “fourth war” there ? after the wars of 1839, 1878 and 1919. “We’re there at the Afghan Government’s request to assist them in building security, economic stability and the rule of law,” he said.

He then revealed that, until now, the British military had avoided taking on the opium growers in southern Afghanistan because of the risk of alienating the Afghan farmers whose livelihoods depended on their poppy crops. Had the troops eradicated the poppy fields from the start, it would have caused “an own goal”, giving the Taleban a propaganda opportunity.

However, General Dannatt said that next year the intention was “to bear down on the poppy harvest”.

He made no reference to possible future troop cuts in Iraq, other than to say that all the Service chiefs had now given their advice to the Government on appropriate levels, in anticipation of the expected statement on Iraq by Gordon Brown next month.

General Dannatt said that significant progress had been made in southern Iraq, with three of the four provinces already handed over to Iraqi security control, and he denied that the 500 British troops withdrawn from the Basra Palace base this month had been forced out. “To say that we were bombed out of Basra is completely wrong,” he said.

He added: “We have not lost a single significant tactical engagement, and the nation should take great pride in what has been achieved.”

 
I agree, whether one supports a war or not one needs to remember that soldiers do not deploy themselves, they go where they are sent, and they deserve support and compassion for the hazards they face and the sacrifices they make.
 
Actual shooting wars seem to be unpopular with the British public. I wonder where that famous Brit fighting spirit has gone ?
 
T6,  Actual shooting wars aren't too popular with the Canadian public either.

Thankfuly, the Canadian public appears to have found a way to separate politics from the concept of supporting the soldiers who are carrying the burden of force projection.

From what I have seen, the British fighting spirit of its soldiers is very much present.  Good troops.
 
Never had them for Northern Ireland tours either (unless you count the Regimental band playing as you got off the plane at Brize Norton at 3am). If they did, there would have been thousands of parades! Soldiers involved in relatively unpopular, long term counter insurgency conflicts have always gone unrecognized in the UK, except on Remembrance Day. It's a tradition, man!
 
tomahawk6 said:
Actual shooting wars seem to be unpopular with the British public. I wonder where that famous Brit fighting spirit has gone ?

Look at the demographics of the UK now! WASPs are fast becoming the minority, and the whingers are usually from the shyte-hole places we are fighting, aside from the usual left wing ratbags that is  ;D.

The media too are responsible, for the public is fed a diet of shyte, not necessarily the real truth, this too can damage people's opinions.

IMHO anyways.

Now on parades, we have th ANZAC marches every April, and thats for everyone who is either green, blue and white (as in uniform colour) skinned, former and serving, active sevrice of domestic service, Reg or Res, and the relatives of those who served also.

No parades from my deployment, we were almost snuck in to the country. Real low key, all in civvies, and like a bunch of 'shorthairs' coming back from a week long business trip.

Personally, I did not want no fan-fair, and I am still not ready for it. Last ANZAC Day, I chose to stay home, and have a few quiet thoughts. I had been home only a month, and I was not ready for public exposure locally.

Would I attend a parade now? Still not, I am just not up to it. In time maybe, but if we are told its a mandatory thing, I would have no choice.

In general, mainstream Aussies support their Defence Force in such brilliant ways I never seen in the 18yrs I was a CF member. Prior to my deployment to Iraq, while in desert cams with Unit patches on, in public places such as petrol stations or the shops at lunch or on the way home, one would get 110% support from complete strangers.

I remember one time, a girl in her 30's just said the words 'thank-you', or another time a strange bloke in a queue at the local BP said ' Going over? Good luck and be careful'. Those words and their expressions on their faces still make my hair stand on end with pride, and a feeling of being quite humbled.

My neighbours too have been supportive, and thats good. I have been thanked, and that felt nice. My other neighbour fought in Viet Nam, and he perfectly understands. It does feel good that for those that know where we've been, underdstand in more ways than we think. I have had a few Viet Nam Vets also talk, and compare on how we feel. Wars through out  the years still gouge scars on all those who have been, and thats if it was Kakoda, Kapyong, Long Tan, or Baghdad. We have a lot more in common with our Vets from wars past than we think.

Most Australians are against the war, and want to see our troops home, but they are for the troops.

Is it a unpopular war here, yes, and with a federal election on the horizon, it may indeed cost John Howard the show, with a snivel libertarian lefty, Kevin Rudd possibly taking the reins. God, I hope not.

Cheers,

Wes
 
daftandbarmy said:
Never had them for Northern Ireland tours either (unless you count the Regimental band playing as you got off the plane at Brize Norton at 3am). If they did, there would have been thousands of parades! Soldiers involved in relatively unpopular, long term counter insurgency conflicts have always gone unrecognized in the UK, except on Remembrance Day. It's a tradition, man!

As a tradition it goes back a long way D&B.  No parades for Dad coming back from Palestine or Uncle from the Inter-German Border (ca 1948).  Turn in uniform. Sign to keep great coat. Get issued 1 demobilization suit (choice of Grey, Blue or Brown), 1 ration book and 1 General Service Medal ribbon. 

The don't stage parades for super-annuated policemen either.
 
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