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Posted by Juno847627709@aol.com on Fri, 29 Dec 2000 22:38:54 EST

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Posted by Juno847627709@aol.com on Fri, 29 Dec 2000 22:41:16 EST
hmmmm.
well, it would seem that to go to 120 000 in a span of 3 years would be a
quantum leap for the PRes. Assuming levels can be achieved, have we got
enough money to train, feed, clothe, equip all of these new recruits? Have we
the necessary budget to sustain such a growth? Did you hear on any proposals
for Army Reg. Force numerical strength?
-Matt B.
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Posted by "Jay Digital" <todesengel@home.com> on Fri, 29 Dec 2000 23:13:05 -0500
Oops, I guess I didn‘t make myself clear. the 120K was for reg force...of
course this is just out of the rumour mill and we all know how reliable that
can be.
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> hmmmm.
> well, it would seem that to go to 120 000 in a span of 3 years would be a
> quantum leap for the PRes. Assuming levels can be achieved, have we got
> enough money to train, feed, clothe, equip all of these new recruits? Have
we
> the necessary budget to sustain such a growth? Did you hear on any
proposals
> for Army Reg. Force numerical strength?
> -Matt B.
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Posted by "C.M. Crawford" <cm_crawford@hotmail.com> on Mon, 01 Jan 2001 17:13:58 -0500
I dont know about the reg force , but the PRes is already on a huge
recruting drive. They are doing all that they can to increase numbers,from
shortening courses to giving highschool students an opertunity to get their
QL2 as part of a co-op program.
The money is in the system for the PRes, I know that every unit in my
garison got a huge increse in their operating budget and it looks like we
are in for more of that next year.
So if the Pres is doing and can aford to do it I dont see why the regs
wouldnt.
c.m.
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Posted by "Harwood, Steve" <SHarwood@karmax.com> on Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:57:14 -0500
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Hi Rob... I too have been in the recruitment process since Oct2000. My
prospective CO has asked me for some feedback specifically about the holdups
and delays. Have you any specific ideas or suggestions that could or could
have speed up your recruitment process? I will pass on these ideas to him. I
have one already. Howabout a checklist that every recruit gets so they know
what all the steps are. The recruit can also book medical appts in advance
for instance. Meanwhile..."Hurry up and wait!"
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin, Rob JUS [mailto:Rob.Martin@jus.gov.on.ca]
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 4:12 PM
To: army-list-digest@CdnArmy.ca
Subject: Recruiting Problems
My ongoing experience with the recruiting process may shed some light as to
why the CF is having difficulties. I began the process in mid-October 2000.
To this point I have still not been sworn in with the unit I have applied to
NOTE: I am applying as PRes 26 Svc. Btn. Now I realize this is not just
one persons fault at either the recruiting centre or at the Unit. It seems
to be a problem with the system, and from what I have heard from members of
the Unit I am applying to is that a fair number of applicants just get tired
of waiting and move on to other things, I guess not everyone wants it that
badly.
As far as attracting new members the recruiting booths should look into
using some of the documentary programs made by the Discovery Channel about
CF Operations overseas whether it be peacekeeping in Bosnia or de-mining
activities. The earlier suggestions about emphasizing the "humanitarin"
operations, Flooding in Manitoba, Ice Storm, pavement/sidewalk hunting in
Toronto‘s snowstorm sorry I‘m from Northern Ontario couldn‘t resist.
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Rob Martin
TSC Incident Coordinator
* Rob.Martin@jus.gov.on.ca
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RE: Recruiting Problems - ROB
Hi Rob... I too have been in the recruitment process
since Oct2000. My prospective CO has asked me for some feedback
specifically about the holdups and delays. Have you any specific
ideas or suggestions that could or could have speed up your recruitment
process? I will pass on these ideas to him. I have one already.
Howabout a checklist that every recruit gets so they know what all the
steps are. The recruit can also book medical appts in advance for
instance. Meanwhile...quotHurry up and wait!quot
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin, Rob JUS [mailto:Rob.Martin@jus.gov.on.ca
]
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 4:12 PM
To: army-list-digest@CdnArmy.ca
Subject: Recruiting Problems
My ongoing experience with the recruiting process may
shed some light as to
why the CF is having difficulties. I began the
process in mid-October 2000.
To this point I have still not been sworn in with
the unit I have applied to
NOTE: I am applying as PRes 26 Svc. Btn. Now I
realize this is not just
one persons fault at either the recruiting centre or
at the Unit. It seems
to be a problem with the system, and from what I
have heard from members of
the Unit I am applying to is that a fair number of
applicants just get tired
of waiting and move on to other things, I guess not
everyone wants it that
badly.
As far as attracting new members the recruiting
booths should look into
using some of the documentary programs made by the
Discovery Channel about
CF Operations overseas whether it be peacekeeping in
Bosnia or de-mining
activities. The earlier suggestions about
emphasizing the quothumanitarinquot
operations, Flooding in Manitoba, Ice Storm,
pavement/sidewalk hunting in
Toronto‘s snowstorm sorry I‘m from Northern Ontario
couldn‘t resist.
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TSC Incident Coordinator
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Posted by Jean-Francois Menicucci <menicucci@videotron.ca> on Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:20:43 -0500
Hehehe, a long time ago I was blaming the recruiters until, I was face to face
with an Sgt of the Vandoo
that told me his ways of thinking about the problem and the facts.
First time I stepped in the CFRC in 1997 and I asked about how to join, the guy
in front of me
god I have his face graved in my memory yelled at me:
HOW THE **** YA THINK!!!!! bla bla bla, I jumped at first and I replied on the
same tone.
He told me, well dont think we going to call yaw soon, that what he told me
when I handed my papers
but one week later they called me, unfortunately I was just released for a
surgery. I went for my tests
interviews, medical, apt test in a zombie mood. Because I was just released from
hospital they closed my file until
my medical situation was stable, so the officer working on my file called and
asks me to come back in September
to reopen it. I went back to the centre in nov, and I asked for the reopening of
my files, they told me no
problems jf we gonna call you soon. October, November pass no signs yet, so I
went back on Dec 97
and asked what was happening. They told me they never opened my files, the month
after I received
my confirmation that my file was reopened. Then in the months following they
lost my files
3 times, WHEN I SAY LOST it was LOST. I dealt with 7 different peoples working
on my dossier,
believe me my head spin like a bottle, that situation was like this for a short
period until everything went back
to up to the finals steps of the recruiting process.
I will not blame anyone at the centre, because they were fantastic, and dealt
with me with a professional
Attitudes all the times. But the cuts and the decrease of personnel really made
their lives complicated.
just my 0.02 cents.
jf
"Martin, Rob JUS" wrote:
> My ongoing experience with the recruiting process may shed some light as to
> why the CF is having difficulties. I began the process in mid-October 2000.
> To this point I have still not been sworn in with the unit I have applied to
> NOTE: I am applying as PRes 26 Svc. Btn. Now I realize this is not just
> one persons fault at either the recruiting centre or at the Unit. It seems
> to be a problem with the system, and from what I have heard from members of
> the Unit I am applying to is that a fair number of applicants just get tired
> of waiting and move on to other things, I guess not everyone wants it that
> badly.
>
> As far as attracting new members the recruiting booths should look into
> using some of the documentary programs made by the Discovery Channel about
> CF Operations overseas whether it be peacekeeping in Bosnia or de-mining
> activities. The earlier suggestions about emphasizing the "humanitarin"
> operations, Flooding in Manitoba, Ice Storm, pavement/sidewalk hunting in
> Toronto‘s snowstorm sorry I‘m from Northern Ontario couldn‘t resist.
>
> =======================================
> Rob Martin
> TSC Incident Coordinator
> * Rob.Martin@jus.gov.on.ca
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>
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Posted by "Jay Digital" <todesengel@home.com> on Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:18:50 -0500
RE: Recruiting Problems - ROBOne thing that I think would speed it up
greatly is to do your aptitude test, fitness test, medical, and
interview on the same day. Sure it would take awhile but at least you
wouldn‘t have to make 4 seperate trips to the recruiting centre.
----- Original Message -----
From: Harwood, Steve
To: ‘army-list@CdnArmy.ca‘
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 4:57 PM
Subject: RE: Recruiting Problems - ROB
Hi Rob... I too have been in the recruitment process since Oct2000.
My prospective CO has asked me for some feedback specifically about the
holdups and delays. Have you any specific ideas or suggestions that
could or could have speed up your recruitment process? I will pass on
these ideas to him. I have one already. Howabout a checklist that every
recruit gets so they know what all the steps are. The recruit can also
book medical appts in advance for instance. Meanwhile..."Hurry up and
wait!"
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin, Rob JUS [mailto:Rob.Martin@jus.gov.on.ca]
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 4:12 PM
To: army-list-digest@CdnArmy.ca
Subject: Recruiting Problems
My ongoing experience with the recruiting process may shed some light
as to
why the CF is having difficulties. I began the process in mid-October
2000.
To this point I have still not been sworn in with the unit I have
applied to
NOTE: I am applying as PRes 26 Svc. Btn. Now I realize this is not
just
one persons fault at either the recruiting centre or at the Unit. It
seems
to be a problem with the system, and from what I have heard from
members of
the Unit I am applying to is that a fair number of applicants just get
tired
of waiting and move on to other things, I guess not everyone wants it
that
badly.
As far as attracting new members the recruiting booths should look
into
using some of the documentary programs made by the Discovery Channel
about
CF Operations overseas whether it be peacekeeping in Bosnia or
de-mining
activities. The earlier suggestions about emphasizing the
"humanitarin"
operations, Flooding in Manitoba, Ice Storm, pavement/sidewalk hunting
in
Toronto‘s snowstorm sorry I‘m from Northern Ontario couldn‘t resist.

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Rob Martin
TSC Incident Coordinator
* Rob.Martin@jus.gov.on.ca

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RE: Recruiting Problems - ROB
One thing that I
think would speed
it up greatly is to do your aptitude test, fitness test, medical, and
interview
on the same day. Sure it would take awhile but at least you wouldn‘t
have to
make 4 seperate trips to the recruiting centre.
----- Original Message -----
From:
Harwood,
Steve
To: ‘army-list@CdnArmy.ca‘
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001
4:57
PM
Subject: RE: Recruiting
Problems -
ROB

Hi Rob... I too have been in the recruitment process
since
Oct2000. My prospective CO has asked me for some feedback
specifically
about the holdups and delays. Have you any specific ideas or
suggestions
that could or could have speed up your recruitment process? I will
pass on
these ideas to him. I have one already. Howabout a checklist
that every
recruit gets so they know what all the steps are. The recruit
can also
book medical appts in advance for instance. Meanwhile..."Hurry up and
wait!"
Steve
-----Original Message----- From:
Martin, Rob JUS [mailto:Rob.Martin@jus.gov.on.ca]
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 4:12 PM
To: army-list-digest@CdnArmy.ca Subject:
Recruiting Problems
My ongoing experience with the recruiting process
may shed
some light as to why the CF is having
difficulties. I
began the process in mid-October 2000. To
this point I
have still not been sworn in with the unit I have applied to
NOTE: I am applying as PRes 26 Svc. Btn. Now I realize this
is not
just one persons fault at either the
recruiting centre
or at the Unit. It seems to be a problem
with the
system, and from what I have heard from members of the
Unit I am applying to is that a fair number of applicants just get
tired of waiting and move on to other
things, I guess
not everyone wants it that badly.
As far as attracting new members the recruiting
booths should
look into using some of the documentary
programs made
by the Discovery Channel about CF Operations
overseas
whether it be peacekeeping in Bosnia or de-mining activities. The earlier suggestions about emphasizing the
"humanitarin" operations, Flooding in
Manitoba, Ice
Storm, pavement/sidewalk hunting in Toronto‘s
snowstorm sorry I‘m from Northern Ontario couldn‘t resist.
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Coordinator
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Posted by Juno847627709@aol.com on Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:21:14 EST
I‘d second that, but I was so nervous I almost tossed my cookies for my PT
Test AND my Interview.
I fear I wouldn‘t be typing this today if I had the mentioned
appointments one right after another.
LOL.

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Posted by "Donald Schepens" <a.schepens@home.com> on Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:50:55 -0700
I would urge you to contact the CO of the unit you wish to join. If it has
taken since mid October something is wrong. Unless you were born outside
the country or have a criminal record it should be complete well within 6
weeks.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Martin, Rob JUS
To:
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 2:12 PM
Subject: Recruiting Problems
> My ongoing experience with the recruiting process may shed some light as
to
> why the CF is having difficulties. I began the process in mid-October
2000.
> To this point I have still not been sworn in with the unit I have applied
to
> NOTE: I am applying as PRes 26 Svc. Btn. Now I realize this is not just
> one persons fault at either the recruiting centre or at the Unit. It seems
> to be a problem with the system, and from what I have heard from members
of
> the Unit I am applying to is that a fair number of applicants just get
tired
> of waiting and move on to other things, I guess not everyone wants it that
> badly.
>
> As far as attracting new members the recruiting booths should look into
> using some of the documentary programs made by the Discovery Channel about
> CF Operations overseas whether it be peacekeeping in Bosnia or de-mining
> activities. The earlier suggestions about emphasizing the "humanitarin"
> operations, Flooding in Manitoba, Ice Storm, pavement/sidewalk hunting in
> Toronto‘s snowstorm sorry I‘m from Northern Ontario couldn‘t resist.
>
> =======================================
> Rob Martin
> TSC Incident Coordinator
> * Rob.Martin@jus.gov.on.ca
> =======================================
>
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Posted by "Donald Schepens" <a.schepens@home.com> on Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:52:52 -0700
RE: Recruiting Problems - ROBThey are trying to speed up the process to
ensure that you don‘t have to make 10 trips. Contact the CO of the unit
you wish to join ASAP and report the problem.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Digital
To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: Recruiting Problems - ROB
One thing that I think would speed it up greatly is to do your
aptitude test, fitness test, medical, and interview on the same day.
Sure it would take awhile but at least you wouldn‘t have to make 4
seperate trips to the recruiting centre.
----- Original Message -----
From: Harwood, Steve
To: ‘army-list@CdnArmy.ca‘
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 4:57 PM
Subject: RE: Recruiting Problems - ROB
Hi Rob... I too have been in the recruitment process since Oct2000.
My prospective CO has asked me for some feedback specifically about the
holdups and delays. Have you any specific ideas or suggestions that
could or could have speed up your recruitment process? I will pass on
these ideas to him. I have one already. Howabout a checklist that every
recruit gets so they know what all the steps are. The recruit can also
book medical appts in advance for instance. Meanwhile..."Hurry up and
wait!"
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin, Rob JUS [mailto:Rob.Martin@jus.gov.on.ca]
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 4:12 PM
To: army-list-digest@CdnArmy.ca
Subject: Recruiting Problems
My ongoing experience with the recruiting process may shed some
light as to
why the CF is having difficulties. I began the process in
mid-October 2000.
To this point I have still not been sworn in with the unit I have
applied to
NOTE: I am applying as PRes 26 Svc. Btn. Now I realize this is not
just
one persons fault at either the recruiting centre or at the Unit. It
seems
to be a problem with the system, and from what I have heard from
members of
the Unit I am applying to is that a fair number of applicants just
get tired
of waiting and move on to other things, I guess not everyone wants
it that
badly.
As far as attracting new members the recruiting booths should look
into
using some of the documentary programs made by the Discovery Channel
about
CF Operations overseas whether it be peacekeeping in Bosnia or
de-mining
activities. The earlier suggestions about emphasizing the
"humanitarin"
operations, Flooding in Manitoba, Ice Storm, pavement/sidewalk
hunting in
Toronto‘s snowstorm sorry I‘m from Northern Ontario couldn‘t
resist.

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TSC Incident Coordinator
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They are trying to speed up the process
to ensure
that you don‘t have to make 10 trips. Contact the CO of the unit
you wish
to join ASAP and report the problem.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From:
Jay
Digital

To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001
4:18
PM
Subject: Re: Recruiting
Problems -
ROB

One thing that I
think would
speed it up greatly is to do your aptitude test, fitness test,
medical, and
interview on the same day. Sure it would take awhile but at least you
wouldn‘t
have to make 4 seperate trips to the recruiting centre.

----- Original Message -----
From:
Harwood,
Steve
To: ‘army-list@CdnArmy.ca‘
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001
4:57
PM
Subject: RE: Recruiting
Problems -
ROB

Hi Rob... I too have been in the recruitment
process since
Oct2000. My prospective CO has asked me for some feedback
specifically
about the holdups and delays. Have you any specific ideas or
suggestions that could or could have speed up your recruitment
process? I
will pass on these ideas to him. I have one already. Howabout
a
checklist that every recruit gets so they know what all the steps
are.
The recruit can also book medical appts in advance for instance.
Meanwhile..."Hurry up and wait!"
Steve
-----Original Message----- From:
Martin, Rob JUS [mailto:Rob.Martin@jus.gov.on.ca]
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 4:12 PM
To: army-list-digest@CdnArmy.ca Subject:
Recruiting Problems
My ongoing experience with the recruiting process
may shed
some light as to why the CF is having
difficulties.
I began the process in mid-October 2000. To this
point I have still not been sworn in with the unit I have applied
to
NOTE: I am applying as PRes 26 Svc. Btn. Now I
realize
this is not just one persons fault at
either the
recruiting centre or at the Unit. It seems to be a
problem with the system, and from what I have heard from members
of
the Unit I am applying to is that a fair number
of
applicants just get tired of waiting and
move on to
other things, I guess not everyone wants it that badly.
As far as attracting new members the recruiting
booths
should look into using some of the
documentary
programs made by the Discovery Channel about CF
Operations overseas whether it be peacekeeping in Bosnia or
de-mining
activities. The earlier suggestions about
emphasizing the
"humanitarin" operations, Flooding in
Manitoba, Ice
Storm, pavement/sidewalk hunting in Toronto‘s
snowstorm sorry I‘m from Northern Ontario couldn‘t resist.
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Coordinator
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