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Posted by Eric Cozens <ericoz@sympatico.ca> on Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:19:59 -0500
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G‘Day readers,
I am only a semi lurker now!
Just thought I would sling in my two penn‘orth of info‘:
1. Recruiting for any organization, task, service etc. is always a
problem if there is insufficient information or inaccurate information
delivered. This also has something to do with choice of venue, and the
news media.
2. There are many external factors, not the least of which are the
various elements of the media who whether we like it or not hold a lot
of power. Couple this with the negative view of the forces engendered
in the younger generations of the public at large who did not have the
advantage of knowing what the Canadian Armed yes I know its politically
incorrect to use wicked words like "armed" in case the public think that
we are being aggressive, or possessing militaristic tendencies Forces
are really doing and why they exist and the potential that is there.
3. For some to me unknown reason, the media are always intent on
recording bad news because it is good for the "bottom line" I guess
that‘s the reason! even if that "news" is produced with an element of
bias or, in some cases, downright inaccuracy.
4. Actual examples: During the fiasco that involved the Airborne
Forces it was quite apparent to the ill informed and vulnerable PAL
public at large that the Canadian ‘Armed‘ Forces in general and the
Airborne in particular were a crowd of drunken layabouts who enjoyed
juvenile activities which included "hazing" and other socially
unacceptable activities. A BIG deal was made of "...eating feces...",
various acts on the genitalia etc. etc. ad nauseum. For this there was
a general condemnation of the Forces and an assumption that we are
incapable of controlling those anti social and criminal activities.
5. When "good ol‘ boy" Mel Lastman had the temerity to call in the
Forces to look after what he perceived as a "crisis" situation when
there was a rather heavy snow fall coupled with very cold weather - who
got "hammered" not god ol‘ Mel, but the troops. There were reports that
some soldiers were seen using public transport because their vehicles
"...did not work...", also a soldier was seen purchasing a City Street
Map "...because the army maps are outdated and no good..." excuse me
for a moment while I ‘puke‘ Did it not occur to the reporters that
"troops" in uniform using public transport may be PRes or Cadets on
their way to an Armoury or, if they were on duty, a convenient way of
moving to another location without calling up DND Transport not EVERY
individual has a motor vehicle at their disposal.
6. a. To use this set of principles it would be equally accurate to
say that, because there are a number of civilians who at any time are
apprehended while committing a crime and, because a number of those
civilians are incarcerated as a result, then ALL civilians are crooks
and we should disband the human race!!!
b. if you see a Member of the Police Force or the Ambulance
Service or a Fire Fighter etc. eating a Burger at a fast food
restaurant it means that those Services are not properly administered as
they have no food available and God forbid that you would EVER see a
uniformed member of those services aboard public transport!
Having got that off of my chest, those of you who were subjected to my
earlier diatribe will know that although I am a VERY proud Canadian
for over thirty two years, I used to be British and I still keep in
touch with what goes on over there and, in particular what goes on with
the military. Remember that there are always exceptions and nothing and
no one are perfect, the way in which the ARMED Forces in Britain are
viewed and reported on is something that we in our country might well
emulate.
1. Everywhere that you go where troops are quartered or active you
will see them IN UNIFORM and VERY proud to wear it.
2. The military are with few exceptions regarded as an elite group
and worthy of respect. Great visibility and POSITIVE reporting is given
to their activities whether it be Parades, Concerts, Cultural events,
Sporting activities, Public Relations and so on ad infinitum.
3. There are permanent Recruiting Offices in all of the major centres,
some of which focus on a specific Regiment or Corps and others which are
more general. Visits to Universities and Schools are carefully planned
in advance and again POSITIVE reporting is evident.
4. The Army has a publication known as the SOLDIER and are also found
on web site www.soldiermagazine.co.uk The army has an excellent site
located at www.army.mod.uk. all of which gives great POSITIVE
publicity. Public Affairs and Public Relations are important enough to
necessitate focussed training in these functions.
5. Finally I promise, the principle used is that in any environment
and in any society there will always be some "bad eggs" either by
accident or by design. However where we differ from our cousins ‘over
the pond‘ is that ‘over there‘ the culprits are apprehended and punished
regardless of rank , title, religion, sex or ethnic origin and others
who are not involved or are not criminally involved are dealt with
accordingly. It would be unthinkable to consider disbanding a unit
because some criminals were found. I strongly suspect that the
disbandment of our Airborne Regiment was more a matter of finding an
excuse to "shut down" an organization that was perceived as in much
modern warfare as of lesser impact or importance. They should have
been disbanded or amalgamated with dignity and thanks and ALL criminals
severely and visibly dealt with. But of course that would have been
less "newsworthy
On a different note and with the risk of causing offence not intended,
I implore you to take a moment to address the recipient if an
individual, or name the subject, or provide a mere "snip" of a previous
subject in your replies because I am wearing out my mouse wheel
scrolling down to find the next legitimate message after all of the
replies and replies to replies and.... . It would make for a tidier
list and as you all know sometimes you end up with one message and a
list full of back messages - or am I doing something wrong??
Thanks for taking the time to read this.
Eric Cozens - Arte et Marte
--------------73E9EED98261E7BED2776F32
G‘Day readers,
I am only a semi lurker now!
Just thought I would sling in my two penn‘orth of info‘:
1. Recruiting for any organization, task, service etc. is
always a problem if there is insufficient information or inaccurate information
delivered. This also has something to do with choice of venue, and
the news media.
2. There are many external factors, not the least of which
are the various elements of the media who whether we like it or not hold
a lot of power. Couple this with the negative view of the forces
engendered in the younger generations of the public at large who did not
have the advantage of knowing what the Canadian Armed yes I know its politically
incorrect to use wicked words like "armed" in case the public think that
we are being aggressive, or possessing militaristic tendencies Forces
are really doing and why they exist and the potential that is there.
3. For some to me unknown reason, the media are always
intent on recording bad news because it is good for the "bottom line" I
guess that‘s the reason! even if that "news" is produced with an element
of bias or, in some cases, downright inaccuracy.
4. Actual examples: During the fiasco that involved
the Airborne Forces it was quite apparent to the ill informed and vulnerable
PAL public at large that the Canadian ‘Armed‘ Forces in general and the
Airborne in particular were a crowd of drunken layabouts who enjoyed juvenile
activities which included "hazing" and other socially unacceptable activities.
A BIG deal was made of "...eating feces...", various acts on the
genitalia etc. etc. ad nauseum. For this there was a general
condemnation of the Forces and an assumption that we are incapable of controlling
those anti social and criminal activities.
5. When "good ol‘ boy" Mel Lastman had the temerity to call
in the Forces to look after what he perceived as a "crisis" situation when
there was a rather heavy snow fall coupled with very cold weather - who
got "hammered" not god ol‘ Mel, but the troops. There were reports
that some soldiers were seen using public transport because their vehicles
"...did not work...", also a soldier was seen purchasing a City Street
Map "...because the army maps are outdated and no good..." excuse
me for a moment while I ‘puke‘ Did it not occur to the reporters
that "troops" in uniform using public transport may be PRes or Cadets on
their way to an Armoury or, if they were on duty, a convenient way of moving
to another location without calling up DND Transport not EVERY individual
has a motor vehicle at their disposal.
6. a. To use this set of principles it would be equally
accurate to say that, because there are a number of civilians who at any
time are apprehended while committing a crime and, because a number of
those civilians are incarcerated as a result, then ALL civilians
are crooks and we should disband the human race!!!
b. if you see a Member of the Police
Force or the Ambulance Service or a Fire Fighter etc. eating a Burger
at a fast food restaurant it means that those Services are not properly
administered as they have no food available and God forbid that you would
EVER see a uniformed member of those services aboard public transport!
Having got that off of my chest, those of you who were subjected to
my earlier diatribe will know that although I am a VERY proud Canadian
for over thirty two years, I used to be British and I still keep in touch
with what goes on over there and, in particular what goes on with the military.
Remember that there are always exceptions and nothing and no one are perfect,
the way in which the ARMED Forces in Britain are viewed and reported on
is something that we in our country might well emulate.
1. Everywhere that you go where troops are quartered or
active you will see them IN UNIFORM and VERY proud to wear it.
2. The military are with few exceptions regarded as an
elite group and worthy of respect. Great visibility and POSITIVE
reporting is given to their activities whether it be Parades, Concerts,
Cultural events, Sporting activities, Public Relations and so on ad
infinitum.
3. There are permanent Recruiting Offices in all of the
major centres, some of which focus on a specific Regiment or Corps and
others which are more general. Visits to Universities and Schools
are carefully planned in advance and again POSITIVE reporting is evident.
4. The Army has a publication known as the SOLDIER
and are also found on web site www.soldiermagazine.co.uk
The army has an excellent site located at www.army.mod.uk. all of which
gives great POSITIVE publicity. Public Affairs and Public Relations
are important enough to necessitate focussed training in these functions.
5. Finally I promise, the principle used is that in any environment
and in any society there will always be some "bad eggs" either by accident
or by design. However where we differ from our cousins ‘over the
pond‘ is that ‘over there‘ the culprits are apprehended and punished regardless
of rank , title, religion, sex or ethnic origin and others who are not
involved or are not criminally involved are dealt with accordingly.
It would be unthinkable to consider disbanding a unit because some criminals
were found. I strongly suspect that the disbandment of our Airborne
Regiment was more a matter of finding an excuse to "shut down" an organization
that was perceived as in much modern warfare as of lesser impact or importance.
They should have been disbanded or amalgamated with dignity and thanks
and ALL criminals severely and visibly dealt with. But of course
that would have been less "newsworthy
On a different note and with the risk of causing offence not intended,
I implore you to take a moment to address the recipient if an individual,
or name the subject, or provide a mere "snip" of a previous subject in
your replies because I am wearing out my mouse wheel scrolling down to
find the next legitimate message after all of the replies and replies to
replies and.... . It would make for a tidier list and as you all
know sometimes you end up with one message and a list full of back messages
- or am I doing something wrong??
Thanks for taking the time to read this.
Eric Cozens - Arte et Marte
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--------------73E9EED98261E7BED2776F32
G‘Day readers,
I am only a semi lurker now!
Just thought I would sling in my two penn‘orth of info‘:
1. Recruiting for any organization, task, service etc. is always a
problem if there is insufficient information or inaccurate information
delivered. This also has something to do with choice of venue, and the
news media.
2. There are many external factors, not the least of which are the
various elements of the media who whether we like it or not hold a lot
of power. Couple this with the negative view of the forces engendered
in the younger generations of the public at large who did not have the
advantage of knowing what the Canadian Armed yes I know its politically
incorrect to use wicked words like "armed" in case the public think that
we are being aggressive, or possessing militaristic tendencies Forces
are really doing and why they exist and the potential that is there.
3. For some to me unknown reason, the media are always intent on
recording bad news because it is good for the "bottom line" I guess
that‘s the reason! even if that "news" is produced with an element of
bias or, in some cases, downright inaccuracy.
4. Actual examples: During the fiasco that involved the Airborne
Forces it was quite apparent to the ill informed and vulnerable PAL
public at large that the Canadian ‘Armed‘ Forces in general and the
Airborne in particular were a crowd of drunken layabouts who enjoyed
juvenile activities which included "hazing" and other socially
unacceptable activities. A BIG deal was made of "...eating feces...",
various acts on the genitalia etc. etc. ad nauseum. For this there was
a general condemnation of the Forces and an assumption that we are
incapable of controlling those anti social and criminal activities.
5. When "good ol‘ boy" Mel Lastman had the temerity to call in the
Forces to look after what he perceived as a "crisis" situation when
there was a rather heavy snow fall coupled with very cold weather - who
got "hammered" not god ol‘ Mel, but the troops. There were reports that
some soldiers were seen using public transport because their vehicles
"...did not work...", also a soldier was seen purchasing a City Street
Map "...because the army maps are outdated and no good..." excuse me
for a moment while I ‘puke‘ Did it not occur to the reporters that
"troops" in uniform using public transport may be PRes or Cadets on
their way to an Armoury or, if they were on duty, a convenient way of
moving to another location without calling up DND Transport not EVERY
individual has a motor vehicle at their disposal.
6. a. To use this set of principles it would be equally accurate to
say that, because there are a number of civilians who at any time are
apprehended while committing a crime and, because a number of those
civilians are incarcerated as a result, then ALL civilians are crooks
and we should disband the human race!!!
b. if you see a Member of the Police Force or the Ambulance
Service or a Fire Fighter etc. eating a Burger at a fast food
restaurant it means that those Services are not properly administered as
they have no food available and God forbid that you would EVER see a
uniformed member of those services aboard public transport!
Having got that off of my chest, those of you who were subjected to my
earlier diatribe will know that although I am a VERY proud Canadian
for over thirty two years, I used to be British and I still keep in
touch with what goes on over there and, in particular what goes on with
the military. Remember that there are always exceptions and nothing and
no one are perfect, the way in which the ARMED Forces in Britain are
viewed and reported on is something that we in our country might well
emulate.
1. Everywhere that you go where troops are quartered or active you
will see them IN UNIFORM and VERY proud to wear it.
2. The military are with few exceptions regarded as an elite group
and worthy of respect. Great visibility and POSITIVE reporting is given
to their activities whether it be Parades, Concerts, Cultural events,
Sporting activities, Public Relations and so on ad infinitum.
3. There are permanent Recruiting Offices in all of the major centres,
some of which focus on a specific Regiment or Corps and others which are
more general. Visits to Universities and Schools are carefully planned
in advance and again POSITIVE reporting is evident.
4. The Army has a publication known as the SOLDIER and are also found
on web site www.soldiermagazine.co.uk The army has an excellent site
located at www.army.mod.uk. all of which gives great POSITIVE
publicity. Public Affairs and Public Relations are important enough to
necessitate focussed training in these functions.
5. Finally I promise, the principle used is that in any environment
and in any society there will always be some "bad eggs" either by
accident or by design. However where we differ from our cousins ‘over
the pond‘ is that ‘over there‘ the culprits are apprehended and punished
regardless of rank , title, religion, sex or ethnic origin and others
who are not involved or are not criminally involved are dealt with
accordingly. It would be unthinkable to consider disbanding a unit
because some criminals were found. I strongly suspect that the
disbandment of our Airborne Regiment was more a matter of finding an
excuse to "shut down" an organization that was perceived as in much
modern warfare as of lesser impact or importance. They should have
been disbanded or amalgamated with dignity and thanks and ALL criminals
severely and visibly dealt with. But of course that would have been
less "newsworthy
On a different note and with the risk of causing offence not intended,
I implore you to take a moment to address the recipient if an
individual, or name the subject, or provide a mere "snip" of a previous
subject in your replies because I am wearing out my mouse wheel
scrolling down to find the next legitimate message after all of the
replies and replies to replies and.... . It would make for a tidier
list and as you all know sometimes you end up with one message and a
list full of back messages - or am I doing something wrong??
Thanks for taking the time to read this.
Eric Cozens - Arte et Marte
--------------73E9EED98261E7BED2776F32
G‘Day readers,
I am only a semi lurker now!
Just thought I would sling in my two penn‘orth of info‘:
1. Recruiting for any organization, task, service etc. is
always a problem if there is insufficient information or inaccurate information
delivered. This also has something to do with choice of venue, and
the news media.
2. There are many external factors, not the least of which
are the various elements of the media who whether we like it or not hold
a lot of power. Couple this with the negative view of the forces
engendered in the younger generations of the public at large who did not
have the advantage of knowing what the Canadian Armed yes I know its politically
incorrect to use wicked words like "armed" in case the public think that
we are being aggressive, or possessing militaristic tendencies Forces
are really doing and why they exist and the potential that is there.
3. For some to me unknown reason, the media are always
intent on recording bad news because it is good for the "bottom line" I
guess that‘s the reason! even if that "news" is produced with an element
of bias or, in some cases, downright inaccuracy.
4. Actual examples: During the fiasco that involved
the Airborne Forces it was quite apparent to the ill informed and vulnerable
PAL public at large that the Canadian ‘Armed‘ Forces in general and the
Airborne in particular were a crowd of drunken layabouts who enjoyed juvenile
activities which included "hazing" and other socially unacceptable activities.
A BIG deal was made of "...eating feces...", various acts on the
genitalia etc. etc. ad nauseum. For this there was a general
condemnation of the Forces and an assumption that we are incapable of controlling
those anti social and criminal activities.
5. When "good ol‘ boy" Mel Lastman had the temerity to call
in the Forces to look after what he perceived as a "crisis" situation when
there was a rather heavy snow fall coupled with very cold weather - who
got "hammered" not god ol‘ Mel, but the troops. There were reports
that some soldiers were seen using public transport because their vehicles
"...did not work...", also a soldier was seen purchasing a City Street
Map "...because the army maps are outdated and no good..." excuse
me for a moment while I ‘puke‘ Did it not occur to the reporters
that "troops" in uniform using public transport may be PRes or Cadets on
their way to an Armoury or, if they were on duty, a convenient way of moving
to another location without calling up DND Transport not EVERY individual
has a motor vehicle at their disposal.
6. a. To use this set of principles it would be equally
accurate to say that, because there are a number of civilians who at any
time are apprehended while committing a crime and, because a number of
those civilians are incarcerated as a result, then ALL civilians
are crooks and we should disband the human race!!!
b. if you see a Member of the Police
Force or the Ambulance Service or a Fire Fighter etc. eating a Burger
at a fast food restaurant it means that those Services are not properly
administered as they have no food available and God forbid that you would
EVER see a uniformed member of those services aboard public transport!
Having got that off of my chest, those of you who were subjected to
my earlier diatribe will know that although I am a VERY proud Canadian
for over thirty two years, I used to be British and I still keep in touch
with what goes on over there and, in particular what goes on with the military.
Remember that there are always exceptions and nothing and no one are perfect,
the way in which the ARMED Forces in Britain are viewed and reported on
is something that we in our country might well emulate.
1. Everywhere that you go where troops are quartered or
active you will see them IN UNIFORM and VERY proud to wear it.
2. The military are with few exceptions regarded as an
elite group and worthy of respect. Great visibility and POSITIVE
reporting is given to their activities whether it be Parades, Concerts,
Cultural events, Sporting activities, Public Relations and so on ad
infinitum.
3. There are permanent Recruiting Offices in all of the
major centres, some of which focus on a specific Regiment or Corps and
others which are more general. Visits to Universities and Schools
are carefully planned in advance and again POSITIVE reporting is evident.
4. The Army has a publication known as the SOLDIER
and are also found on web site www.soldiermagazine.co.uk
The army has an excellent site located at www.army.mod.uk. all of which
gives great POSITIVE publicity. Public Affairs and Public Relations
are important enough to necessitate focussed training in these functions.
5. Finally I promise, the principle used is that in any environment
and in any society there will always be some "bad eggs" either by accident
or by design. However where we differ from our cousins ‘over the
pond‘ is that ‘over there‘ the culprits are apprehended and punished regardless
of rank , title, religion, sex or ethnic origin and others who are not
involved or are not criminally involved are dealt with accordingly.
It would be unthinkable to consider disbanding a unit because some criminals
were found. I strongly suspect that the disbandment of our Airborne
Regiment was more a matter of finding an excuse to "shut down" an organization
that was perceived as in much modern warfare as of lesser impact or importance.
They should have been disbanded or amalgamated with dignity and thanks
and ALL criminals severely and visibly dealt with. But of course
that would have been less "newsworthy
On a different note and with the risk of causing offence not intended,
I implore you to take a moment to address the recipient if an individual,
or name the subject, or provide a mere "snip" of a previous subject in
your replies because I am wearing out my mouse wheel scrolling down to
find the next legitimate message after all of the replies and replies to
replies and.... . It would make for a tidier list and as you all
know sometimes you end up with one message and a list full of back messages
- or am I doing something wrong??
Thanks for taking the time to read this.
Eric Cozens - Arte et Marte
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