Sexual Misconduct Allegations in The CAF

[daftandbarmy]

Mercedes Stephenson is reporting she has a direct eyewitness to the alleged Adm McDonald sexual assault, and that said witness did report to CFNIS.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1449856224183287808

 

[kev994]

Mercedes Stephenson is reporting she has a direct eyewitness to the alleged Adm McDonald sexual assault, and that said witness did report to CFNIS.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1449856224183287808

So…. Does this mean that his ‘vindication’ was actually CFNIS realizing that they can’t charge someone of his rank so they’re wasting their time investigating?

 

[MilEME09]

So…. Does this mean that his ‘vindication’ was actually CFNIS realizing that they can’t charge someone of his rank so they’re wasting their time investigating?

Happened with Vance so I guess so? Only way I could possibly see a CDS being charged now is if the Governor General was a former Judge. As head of state and the armed forces the GG, if possessing a legal background could have authority. I'm just thinking out loud and it probably doesn't work like that though.

 

[brihard]

Happened with Vance so I guess so? Only way I could possibly see a CDS being charged now is if the Governor General was a former Judge. As head of state and the armed forces the GG, if possessing a legal background could have authority. I'm just thinking out loud and it probably doesn't work like that though.

Charged under the NDA, yeah. Basically no mechanism for that. His rank or appointment would not protect him from criminal charges in a hypothetical case where those could be substantiated.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

That letter seems like a real 100% dirtbag thing now...

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Charged under the NDA, yeah. Basically no mechanism for that. His rank or appointment would not protect him from criminal charges in a hypothetical case where those could be substantiated.

Didn’t the alleged event happen in Iceland? How would a CCC charge work?

 

[kev994]

Didn’t the alleged event happen in Iceland? How would a CCC charge work?

It wouldn’t. That’s why the whole point of the NDA.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

It wouldn’t. That’s why the whole point of the NDA.

Which brings us straight back to the Fish Report stating it is legally impossible to charge a CDS under the NDA.

Now what?

 

[MilEME09]

Which brings us straight back to the Fish Report stating it is legally impossible to charge a CDS under the NDA.

Now what?

Civil suit?

 

[OldSolduer]

Wonder where all the WO and above are? I’m sure those ranks are as proportional as the rest and every GOFO has a chief. Not to mention they can be as dinosaurish as them

You really don’t like anyone higher ranked than Cpl do you?

 

[FJAG]

Half the upcoming courts martial are for sexual assault. We aren’t just talking an historical issue here.

Upcoming courts martial - Canada.ca

List of upcoming courts martial by date and/or by province.

www.canada.ca

That's quite a shopping list of wrongdoing. It's hard to say the military isn't taking these things serious and not taking disciplinary action.

One can always do better but, if anything, this shows things are being done.

So…. Does this mean that his ‘vindication’ was actually CFNIS realizing that they can’t charge someone of his rank so they’re wasting their time investigating?

That's always the way I took it with the firmness of Lt(N) Macdonald's reports.

That begs the question on where does the CF stand on fixing the legislative structure to provide a way of charging and trying very high senior staff and military judges? It's been years since the issue came to the forefront?

 

[KevinB]

That letter seems like a real 100% dirtbag thing now...

I think you meant MORE of a Dirtbag thing -- it was a DB thing before this popped up.

 

[KevinB]

That's quite a shopping list of wrongdoing. It's hard to say the military isn't taking these things serious and not taking disciplinary action.

One can always do better but, if anything, this shows things are being done.

That's always the way I took it with the firmness of Lt(N) Macdonald's reports.

That begs the question on where does the CF stand on fixing the legislative structure to provide a way of charging and trying very high senior staff and military judges? It's been years since the issue came to the forefront?

Bring back the Firing Squad.
Seriously - if the CDS fucks up that bad it is a great example that would encourage others...

 

[OldSolduer]

Bring back the Firing Squad.
Seriously - if the CDS fucks up that bad it is a great example that would encourage others...

Which CDS we talkin about here Willis? Past, present or acting?

 

[FJAG]

Bring back the Firing Squad.
Seriously - if the CDS fucks up that bad it is a great example that would encourage others...

That would have worked once. The CSD had capital punishment long after it was removed from the CCC.

Unfortunately you can't have punishment without a trial and since he can't be tried ... he can't be shot.

 

[MilEME09]

‘Several’ witnesses corroborate sexual misconduct allegation against McDonald, accuser says - National | Globalnews.ca

The revelation comes just days after Adm. Art McDonald sent a letter to senior military officers claiming his exoneration from sexual misconduct allegations against him.

globalnews.ca

and the story drops, so the story was backed up by the Duty O, and others, but the Admiral has said the statements were "uncorroborated", this is as big of a PR nightmare as Vance, if not worse. Actually never mind it is worse cause Two CDS's cannot be charged under the NDA for sexual offenses because our system has no way to put them on trial. Making them above the law, pretty sure we have now lost all credibility to investigate anything our selves.

 

[daftandbarmy]

‘Several’ witnesses corroborate sexual misconduct allegation against McDonald, accuser says - National | Globalnews.ca

The revelation comes just days after Adm. Art McDonald sent a letter to senior military officers claiming his exoneration from sexual misconduct allegations against him.

globalnews.ca

and the story drops, so the story was backed up by the Duty O, and others, but the Admiral has said the statements were "uncorroborated", this is as big of a PR nightmare as Vance, if not worse. Actually never mind it is worse cause Two CDS's cannot be charged under the NDA for sexual offenses because our system has no way to put them on trial. Making them above the law, pretty sure we have now lost all credibility to investigate anything our selves.

I saw the coverage on Global tonight. I'm pretty sure they were saying 'collaborated' when they meant 'corroborated', which was interesting in a malapropistic kind of way.

Regardless, I thought that Lt (N) Macdonald showed great courage.

 

[Good2Golf]

Didn’t the alleged event happen in Iceland? How would a CCC charge work?

Also apparently an issue with VAdm Edmundson’s alleged rape of MS(Retd) Stéphanie Viau in Nov 1991 on board PRO while in port at Pearl Harbour, HI.

Not sure how NDA s.130 wouldn’t work if CCC deemed unusable?

 

[trigger324]

You really don’t like anyone higher ranked than Cpl do you?

Oh please. I must hate myself then. What I’m saying is that there’s a noticeably absent group amongst all the so called offenders by comparison

 

[CBH99]

Also apparently an issue with VAdm Edmundson’s alleged rape of MS(Retd) Stéphanie Viau in Nov 1991 on board PRO while in port at Pearl Harbour, HI.

Not sure how NDA s.130 wouldn’t work if CCC deemed unusable?

Forgive my ignorance (truly)

But if the incident happened onboard a Canadian warship, would the CCC not still apply even if the ship happens to be deployed?

And if not the Criminal Code of Canada, would local laws not be the ones applied?


(I’d have just assumed that as a member of the Canadian Armed Forces, if I sexually assaulted another member, while onboard a Royal Canadian Navy ship, that the Criminal Code of Canada would still apply to me.)

I’m sure there has to be a clearly stated policy of what to do when criminal offences allegedly occur outside of Canada by CAF members, outside of just the NDA.