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Sexual Misconduct Allegations in The CAF

Good2Golf

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I would say the Duty to Report is a huge issue for victims. It can make the victims feel even guiltier for what happened to them, even though they did nothing wrong.
Especially with a very high probability that the chain of command might not have taken the incident seriously. The article previously mentioned is a perfect example of why victims would have reason not to trust the chain of command.
 

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The CAF has created problems for itself by creating a too broad definition of sexual misconduct that includes everything from inappropriate jokes and ranging to sex assault.
 

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The CAF has created problems for itself by creating a too broad definition of sexual misconduct that includes everything from inappropriate jokes and ranging to sex assault.

Too bad 'sexual assault' is defined by the victim.

It would be so much easier on the CAF if they would just follow policy. ;)
 

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The CAF has created problems for itself by creating a too broad definition of sexual misconduct that includes everything from inappropriate jokes and ranging to sex assault.
Or maybe the problem is that there are still too many people who haven't figured out that "inappropriate jokes" are misconduct of a sexual nature and should be kept out of the workspace.

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Or maybe the problem is that there are still too many people who haven't figured out that "inappropriate jokes" are misconduct of a sexual nature and should be kept out of the workspace.

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Anything can be construed as inappropriate these days.

Know your audience.
 

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Too bad 'sexual assault' is defined by the victim.

It would be so much easier on the CAF if they would just follow policy. ;)
Where I was going with that is reporting.

"The CAF has investigated 30 incidents of sexual misconduct in the last 30 days" this sounds pretty bad indeed.

But if the context was clarified; "The CAF has investigated 2 sex assaults and 28 incidents of jokes in bad taste in the last 30 days"...

Again, a self own by the department.
 

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Or maybe the problem is that there are still too many people who haven't figured out that "inappropriate jokes" are misconduct of a sexual nature and should be kept out of the workspace.

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Sure FJAG. And the CAF continue to self immolate on this, or get with the program.
 

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Sure FJAG. And the CAF continue to self immolate on this, or get with the program.
It isn't self immolation by the CAF as a corporate entity anymore. It's individuals who still don't get the message and other individuals who tolerate bad behaviour. Most of the senior cases are historical ones. There's nothing anyone can do about that - they'll come out over time and be categorized under the standards of today. That's just the way it is in our judgmental society.

There is nothing wrong with the current definition of sexual misconduct. It was supposed to cover many behaviours which exist on a continuum but have a related common theme. Within the policy are graduated responses appropriate to the level of misconduct.

The problem facing the CAF is that there are still folks who still don't understand, or who do not want to accept, that their behaviour or that of others in their presence is misconduct within the society that we've become. You can argue until you're blue in the face as to whether society's standards are right or wrong but the fact of the matter is that things are the way they are and they are not about to change backwards. If anything, things will progress.

The reason the CAF is where it is today is because far too many people didn't get with the program when the program first came out. At the time the system assumed people would follow orders and cooperate. Many did. Too many didn't. So now there will be a new program to get with. Don't be surprised if this becomes the "puppies getting their noses rubbed in it" phase of behaviour modification. Those who issue your paychecks have taken notice and the CAF is the crisis du jour. They can't do anything about sexual misconduct in high schools or universities but they sure as hell can do, and want to be seen as doing, something about it in their own bailiwick.

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An inappropriate joke isn't generally viewed as harassment, a series of inappropriate jokes can be.

From a personal observation, some people seem to enjoy making others uncomfortable by that pattern of activity, or use it for control or intimidation.

The whole know your audience is part of it - but also being a decent human being is another.
A lot of soldiers use dark humor to cope with certain occurrences - so what may get said in an OP goes over totally different there than on a bus, plane or train with mixed company.
 

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In all seriousness - if inappropriate jokes/comments are being investigated by a civilian police agency - will there even be a charge laid? Is it against the CCC?
 

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I don’t think they’d handing over jokes, just sexual assaults. From the first article I found “The cases that will be transferred involve sexual assault allegations or other criminal offences of a sexual nature, the office said.” Here
 

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In all seriousness - if inappropriate jokes/comments are being investigated by a civilian police agency - will there even be a charge laid? Is it against the CCC?
God no. Not at all. I don’t believe CAF is trying to hand off ‘administrative’ HISB such as inappropriate comments or jokes, though. I’ve always understood this to be that they will hand off to civilian police any allegations of a criminal nature- sexual assault, sexual interference, voyeurism, distributing intimate images without consent, child porn, etc.
 

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I see "misconduct" popping up in media items. I don't know if it is somebody deliberately using an imprecise word or has just grabbed onto the term being used to generally describe the issue occurring in workplaces, universities, etc. I would assume that the files would be knowledgeably vetting, Whether those determined to be lacking by the civilian police or the Crown will be sent back probably depends on the terms of the agreement(s).
 

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A lot of soldiers use dark humor to cope with certain occurrences - so what may get said in an OP goes over totally different there than on a bus, plane or train with mixed company.
A bit off topic. One of our staff discovered a suicide in progress. Hanging was the chosen method. She did her duty and called the code and the guy lived.

A supervisor said to her later Are you Just hanging around or words to that effect. I saw her once after that and never again. He was never held accountable and yes the same shit happens here with sexual issues.
 

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I see "misconduct" popping up in media items. I don't know if it is somebody deliberately using an imprecise word or has just grabbed onto the term being used to generally describe the issue occurring in workplaces, universities, etc. I would assume that the files would be knowledgeably vetting, Whether those determined to be lacking by the civilian police or the Crown will be sent back probably depends on the terms of the agreement(s).
I think it’s the general inaccurate way of the media. Early on they conflated misconduct and criminality (my suspicion being that they were afraid to make a heirachy of victims- which is unpopular)

There is no mechanism for police to investigate misconduct for the CAF and there also isn’t a capacity,
 
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