Sexual Misconduct Allegations in The CAF

[Booter]

He’s a reservist! He’s yours.

I wish I was in media relations I’d be like “guys did you see he’s also in the reserves? Probably something here between their scandals and recruitment of marginalized people…just saying.”

So hot right now

 

[daftandbarmy]

As fetish or function?

Why not both?

 

[brihard]

Oh man, I remember that one. I hadn’t realized trial was still pending. Gross.

 

[lenaitch]

I didn’t see this in the article, but my question is: was he on duty in a marked police vehicle and in uniform at the time?

The way I read the article it sounds like not. With u/c and surveillance involved, this was a targeted investigation, likely arising from ongoing complaints. It's not like he just happened to be caught red-handed (so to speak).

 

[The Bread Guy]

The provinces are noticing ....

Canadian Forces sex assault case transfer plans spark funding fight with provinces | Globalnews.ca

A dispute between Ottawa and provinces over resources is slowing efforts to transfer military police investigations and prosecutions of alleged sexual crimes to local authorities.

globalnews.ca

 

[KevinB]

The provinces are noticing ....

Canadian Forces sex assault case transfer plans spark funding fight with provinces | Globalnews.ca

A dispute between Ottawa and provinces over resources is slowing efforts to transfer military police investigations and prosecutions of alleged sexual crimes to local authorities.

globalnews.ca

Noticing that they have been getting a free lunch for years?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Noticing that they have been getting a free lunch for years?

Pretty much.

We are not talking about a huge amount of cases per year being transferred to the various Provinces. But, never underestimate the desire of a Province to put the screws to the Feds for more money…

 

[KevinB]

Pretty much.

We are not talking about a huge amount of cases per year being transferred to the various Provinces. But, never underestimate the desire of a Province to put the screws to the Feds for more money…

Oh, the money they already get from the base?

I fail to understand how the Provinces think they have a case.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Oh, the money they already get from the base?

I fail to understand how the Provinces think they have a case.

Like I said, never under-estimate the desire of a Province to squeeze the Feds for money.

You were posted to Petawawa (just for example). Since the early 1900s, how much do you figure that Ontario has made in tax revenue on the people posted there, without also providing much in the way of services?

 

[Remius]

Like I said, never under-estimate the desire of a Province to squeeze the Feds for money.

You were posted to Petawawa (just for example). Since the early 1900s, how much do you figure that Ontario has made in tax revenue on the people posted there, without also providing much in the way of services?

Not to mention the secondary benefits to the local economies etc

 

[KevinB]

Like I said, never under-estimate the desire of a Province to squeeze the Feds for money.

You were posted to Petawawa (just for example). Since the early 1900s, how much do you figure that Ontario has made in tax revenue on the people posted there, without also providing much in the way of services?

Plus a lot of money via the OPP from speeding tickets (at least in my case).

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Provinces and municipalities have made plenty of coin of the backs of Pte. Bloggins. The issue is that they haven't received direct funding for this particular thing the Feds are trying to pass off to them.

This was a solution to a problem that didn't need to be addressed by local/provincial forces. All that needed to happen was removing CAF MP Gp from the VCDS group and have them report directly to the MND, or if you really wanted to get impartial, Public Saftey minister or AG.

But no. More flinch reactions that lead to us trying to build the train as it leaves the station.

 

[KevinB]

Provinces and municipalities have made plenty of coin of the backs of Pte. Bloggins. The issue is that they haven't received direct funding for this particular thing the Feds are trying to pass off to them.

Actually they do.
There is money paid by the bases to the regions, and the provinces by the members taxes.
What they want is more than any other taxpayer in Canada would provide.

This was a solution to a problem that didn't need to be addressed by local/provincial forces. All that needed to happen was removing CAF MP Gp from the VCDS group and have them report directly to the MND, or if you really wanted to get impartial, Public Saftey minister or AG.

But no. More flinch reactions that lead to us trying to build the train as it leaves the station.

Given the # of annual cases, it makes a ton more sense to push it to CivPol.
It’s an insignificant number as far as any legitimate claim to be a burden to any location - and frankly it’s already been paid for.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Actually they do.
There is money paid by the bases to the regions, and the provinces by the members taxes.
What they want is more than any other taxpayer in Canada would provide.
Given the # of annual cases, it makes a ton more sense to push it to CivPol.
It’s an insignificant number as far as any legitimate claim to be a burden to any location - and frankly it’s already been paid for.

I don't disagree, I'm just saying the execution of this was poorly done. We could have easily dealt with this within the parameters of Bill C-77 if the CAF MP Group became removed from the CoC. CFNIS could still investigate SA. D Mil Prosecution could still lay charges under S130. The difference is the optics of who's tail is wagging the dog.

IMHO, the feds passing the buck without consulting the provinces will have a poorer outcome than maintaining the status quo.

 

[KevinB]

I don't disagree, I'm just saying the execution of this was poorly done. We could have easily dealt with this within the parameters of Bill C-77 if the CAF MP Group became removed from the CoC. CFNIS could still investigate SA. D Mil Prosecution could still lay charges under S130. The difference is the optics of who's tail is wagging the dog.

IMHO, the feds passing the buck without consulting the provinces will have a poorer outcome than maintaining the status quo.

It’s not like this was a shock to anyone.

Given the history of the NIS WRT several cases, retaining it was a giant non starter.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Actually they do.
There is money paid by the bases to the regions, and the provinces by the members taxes.
What they want is more than any other taxpayer in Canada would provide.



Given the # of annual cases, it makes a ton more sense to push it to CivPol.
It’s an insignificant number as far as any legitimate claim to be a burden to any location - and frankly it’s already been paid for.

I wasn’t even talking about annual PiLT which is significant $ and goes directly to local municipalities for services they sometimes then “forget” to provide or only grudgingly provide, once you phone them a bunch (or a DoJ lawyer sends them a letter- hypothetically, of course)

 

[SeaKingTacco]

It’s not like this was a shock to anyone.

Given the history of the NIS WRT several cases, retaining it was a giant non starter.

We could have also brought in the RCMP to form an investigative division, reporting to the Commissioner of the RCMP.

 

[Kilted]

Allegedly, a Cpl Garrett Beal was recently found guilty on charges of sexual assault against an officer, but I have been unable to find the story at any legitimate news sources.

 

[Blackadder1916]

Allegedly, a Cpl Garrett Beal was recently found guilty on charges of sexual assault against an officer, but I have been unable to find the story at any legitimate news sources.

Disgraced military man sentenced to prison for raping officer

Garrett Beal was a corporal in the 3rd Battalion of The Royal Canadian Regiment in CFB Petawawa at the time of the sexual assault

ottawacitizen.com

 

[Ostrozac]

Allegedly, a Cpl Garrett Beal was recently found guilty on charges of sexual assault against an officer, but I have been unable to find the story at any legitimate news sources.

It was in the Ottawa Citizen — article dated 10 July, under a “local news” byline.