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Soldier Operational Clothing and Equipment Modernization

Halifax Tar

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Door gunners are Flight Crew, not Aircrew. The Army DEU Aircrew are certain Loadmasters — Loadmasters being a mix of Army and Air Force DEU.

And in theory certain Astronauts, I suppose. Marc Garneau was a naval officer when he first went on the space shuttle.

I'm pretty sure all TFC Techs are RCAF now. Might be a few stragglers but the went RCAF DEU only I'm lead to believe by a WO Loadie.
 

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Door gunners are Flight Crew, not Aircrew. The Army DEU Aircrew are certain Loadmasters — Loadmasters being a mix of Army and Air Force DEU.

And in theory certain Astronauts, I suppose. Marc Garneau was a naval officer when he first went on the space shuttle.
Loadmasters are flight crew not aircrew. It’s a specialist flight crew qualification for Traf Tech, their MOSID.

Aircrew = Pilot, ACSO, Flt Engineer, SAR Tech and AES Op.

CFA0 55-10 details:

CFAO 55-10 -- THE CREATION AND AWARDING OF CANADIAN FORCES FLYING AND SPECIALIST SKILL BADGES

BADGE AWARD -- CRITERIA

1. A Canadian Forces (CF) flying or specialist skill badge shall be authorized only for employment that requires CF members to:
a. fly in an aircrew/flight crew position and perform duties associated with the badge (this would include parachuting);


FLYING BADGES -- GENERAL
2. A CF aircrew badge may be awarded to a member of the Regular or Reserve Force after successful completion of formal CF training or a CF qualifying course for pilots, navigators, airborne electronic sensor operators, search and rescue technicians, or flight engineers.


FLIGHT CREW BADGES

10. A member of the CF Regular and Reserve Force is entitled to the award of the basic flight crew badge on the basis of occupation or occupational specialty employment when the member is held on unit strength against an annotated establishment position requiring active and continuous airborne duties as follows:

b. Occupational Specialities

2. Flight Attendant (OSQ Code FY)-- a member of any occupation when employed continuously in the occupation specialty duties of a flight attendant.
3. Flight Steward (OSQ Code FX)-- Cook (MOC 861) or Steward (MOC 862) when employed continuously in the occupational specialty duties of a flight steward.


SPECIALIZED FLIGHT CREW BADGES

16. Members are eligible for specialized flight crew badges in the following categories:

a. Flight Surgeon Badge
b. Flight Test Engineer Badge
c. Loadmaster Badge.
e. Aeromedical Evacuation Badge.
 

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Door Gunners ?

Specialist flight crew, with upswept wing badges. After AW&C and Loadmaster flight crew were changed to full wing badges, I am not sure why all flying badges weren’t converted to full wing. 🤷‍♂️

 
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Big take aways I see there, Operational clothing going online, something many of us have called for for years, New upgrades to the C7/C8 family, new tac vests and sleeping bags
 

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Big take aways I see there, Operational clothing going online, something many of us have called for for years, New upgrades to the C7/C8 family, new tac vests and sleeping bags
New general-purpose sleeping bags have arrived at one of the supply depots already.
 

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I note a new pistol is not on the personal weapon list.
All hail the Browning Hi-Power No2 Mk1*'s second century of Service.
To match another Browning product? :sneaky:

Edit:

Actually it's in there - the C22 Full Frame Pistol for CA (first bullet in the Personal Weapons - Medium Term column).

My question is why SOCEM is dealing with flying gloves, but not anything else RCAF uniform-related? Unless those will also fall under OCFC2?
 

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To match another Browning product? :sneaky:

Edit:

Actually it's in there - the C22 Full Frame Pistol for CA (first bullet in the Personal Weapons - Medium Term column).

My question is why SOCEM is dealing with flying gloves, but not anything else RCAF uniform-related? Unless those will also fall under OCFC2?
I guess I need both my reading glasses and coffee before I look at stuff here.

My bad.
 

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I noticed that ruck sacks aren't on there. I'm guessing that they expect troops to continue to carry duffle bags around in the field.
 

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My question is why SOCEM is dealing with flying gloves, but not anything else RCAF uniform-related? Unless those will also fall under OCFC2?

Maybe because touch-screen requirement is a shared requirement for C Army and RCAF folks? Touch-screen gloves were discussed during the ALSE symposium earlier in the fall, and that no long term solution was in sight as the gloves lost their 'touch screen ability' quickly and the products are improving quickly. I would be surprised if touch screen capable is common across RCAF, SOF and Army....there's a chance to get the best product at lowest cost, like the current CADPAT raingear (started RCAF from CEMS project, then Army was interested and voila...CCR, combined CADPAT raingear was produced).

Just a guess...

What is the new load carriage kit like? Assuming this is a TACVEST replacement...
 

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Maybe because touch-screen requirement is a shared requirement for C Army and RCAF folks? Touch-screen gloves were discussed during the ALSE symposium earlier in the fall, and that no long term solution was in sight as the gloves lost their 'touch screen ability' quickly and the products are improving quickly. I would be surprised if touch screen capable is common across RCAF, SOF and Army....there's a chance to get the best product at lowest cost, like the current CADPAT raingear (started RCAF from CEMS project, then Army was interested and voila...CCR, combined CADPAT raingear was produced).

Just a guess...

What is the new load carriage kit like? Assuming this is a TACVEST replacement...

Not sure but apparently it's going to be 'lighter'. Whatever that means these days ;)

Shedding the Weight: Project aims to lighten the load with updated soldier clothing and equipment​


 
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