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Soldiers and Warriors
By Robert Bateman

GAAAA-RYYY OWEN, GARRYOWEN, GARRYOWEN,
IN THE LITTLE BIGHORN VALLEY ALL ALONE,
THERE'LL BE BETTER DAYS TO BE,
FOR THE SEVENTH CAVALRY,
WHEN WE RIDE AGAIN FOR DEAR OLD GARRYOWEN!
~ To the tune of the 7th Cavalry tune "Sergeant Flynn"

I am a Seventh Cavalry officer. I commanded in that most famous of American units, and my regimental affiliation and affections will always be with the men who wear the upturned horseshoe crest of that regiment. As a historian, and as perhaps the de facto regimental historian (since there is no such thing as a de jure position for this function), I am also very well acquainted with our legacy. The Seventh Cavalry was created to man the outposts of the frontiers in the wake of the Civil War, and to fight against the warrior cultures of the Native American tribes as need be. But in doing so they were not then, and are not now, warriors themselves. The men of the 7th Cavalry were and are soldiers. There is a significant difference between the two.

Unfortunately, and I cannot nail down when this started, a trend started to take hold in the Army and the Marine Corps which blurred that distinction. Sometime in the mid-90s we started to hear senior officers (defined in my head as "Colonels and Up") calling us "warriors."

At first the appellation was rare enough. Now and then you might hear it creep into a speech at a Change of Command ceremony, or perhaps at a Dining In (a formal dinner for the officers of a battalion or brigade). But slowly the term began to come into more common usage, even as it leaked into print in professional journals and in speeches coming from Air Force officers. This is a bad sign, and it does not seems to be stopping. I wish it would, because calling us warriors is not only inaccurate, it displays an ignorance about what a warrior is all about. The bottom line is that a real "warrior" is really just about himself.

Indeed, the key difference between a Soldier (or a Marine, or an Airman) and a "warrior" is almost that simple. A serviceman does his job as a part of a complex human system, he does so with discipline and selflessness as his hallmarks. Courage also matters, of course, but it is but one of several values that are needed. The serviceman is the product of a Western society which, while it values individualism intrinsically, values subordination in pursuit of a collective objective as well. A warrior, on the other hand, is the product of a culture or subculture which is essentially purely honor-driven. That is not a good thing.

We have not had a real honor culture here in the United States for about 140 years or so. Somewhat ironically one could make a fairly solid historical case for the assertion that the first real commander of the 7th Cavalry, Major General George Armstrong Custer, was one of the last real "warriors" in the United States Army. In many ways this was so because Custer was a bit of a throw-back even in his own day and age. He was sort of a transitional character, one of the last members of an American honor culture that was slowly dying away.

In an honor culture, you see, the behaviors of individuals are driven almost exclusively by the need to gain and then to protect, their personal honor. Honor is seen as not necessarily being the product of living a decent life, as it is here in the West. Instead, in an honor culture honor is seen as a commodity. Honor is an almost material thing which must be accumulated. It can only be won by action. And because it is a commodity, it can also be taken away. In both cases this is an individual's responsibility, he must gather honor as he can, and he must defend both his own honor and the honor of his family.

Thus, in an honor culture if your daughter or your sister have "brought dishonor" to your family, you could see it as a taking away of some of that commodity. In several honor-based cultures it is then up to the males in the family (those charged with defending that family honor) to collect the honor back, quite often by killing those who took the honor away. Similarly, if you are a male in such a society and an individual has done something which seems to slight your honor, you have to try to kill him to defend that honor. This also means that, in a military context, discipline, organization and coordination and cooperation are much less valued than is, say, personal courage shown in the face of danger. (Think of the Native American warrior practice known as "counting coup.") This is because there is no honor to be collected from doing good maintenance or performing well as a team. Only individual feats and acts can bring honor, and those must be witnessed, and this is what motivates the "warrior." That is the difference between "warriors" and "soldiers," and I am damned glad that I am one of the latter. Now if somebody would just tell the generals.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/inteldump/2008/09/soldiers_and_warriors.html
 
Sorry.  I can't agree with this.  Is the author saying that warriors and soldiers cannot be the same and that what differentiates them  is that a warrior has "honor" and a soldier does not?  Is he really implying that "honor" is a bad thing?

Perhaps if he spelled "honor" correctly (i.e. "honour"), then things would be more clear, but I digress.

Yes, there are examples of atrocities committed in the name of "honour," but I would argue that these were committed by people who didn't really understand what "honour" actually means.  There are also many examples of people who have sacrificed all to save others because their sense of "honour" would not allow them to think only of themselves.
 
Pusser said:
Perhaps if he spelled "honor" correctly (i.e. "honour"), then things would be more clear, but I digress.

It was The Washington Post.
 
And the author is American.  They spell it without the "u", so in that context, it's correct.
 
Pusser: note that the source is American; thus, spellings are American.

And I concur with Bateman's thesis; there are key distinctions between soldiers and warriors that must be maintained and respected.  The solider is a modern invention: one with codes of discipline, and respect for legal authority.  At a most basic level, a soldier embodies discipline and control, qualities not necessarily inherent in the warrior.

See also: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1999/03/07/soldier-vs-warrior-the-modern-mismatch/91434c3c-ea22-4bad-b0cf-583bfa7ee4c3/?utm_term=.3f4c5d57fec2


(And the comment thread on the original article is also well worth reading - almost makes me think that someone has disproved Sturgeon's Law!)
 
I'm with DAP and Bateman on this one.

The difference between an army and a mob is discipline.  The soldier is disciplined, and thus predictable in his actions by his commanders and his mates.  The warrior is not.

 
There's a growing amount of insurgency/terrorism literature that refers to 'us' as soldiers and 'them' as warriors.  Some of it is shorthand, so they don't have to keep writing "Daesh, Boko Haram, et al....", but some of it looks upon them positively; "soldiers" being burdened by massive HQs, PowerPoint, procurement crises, hell - insert any bitch against a modernized military.  :dunno:


I just know that I wore a gold Warrior  badge when that idiocy was in vogue.  :nod:
 
Journeyman said:
I just know that I wore a gold Warrior  badge when that idiocy was in vogue.  :nod:

Further prof that Warriors are, in fact, the enemy  ;D
 
One can look back at history to see the difference.


Romans: Soldiers
Barbarians: Warriors

British Redcoats: Soldiers
Aboriginal warriors: warriors

Soldiers and warriors lend well to certain types of warfare.

I think that some aspects of our military need aspects of the warrior spirit.  Special forces come to mind.  The bulk though are soldiers and should be described as and encouraged to embody the soldier spirit.  Otherwise we end up with beard chits and non issued kit ;)


 
Thanks for this thoughtful post. You obliquely touch on a number of things that I find profound. Chiefly, this "warrior" bravado is being embraced most heavily in the corners of the Army that we can all agree are the least, shall we say, "high speed.

This came from the comments attached to the article.

It caused old memory cells to be re-engaged.

If I remember correctly the "Warrior" meme was trotted out in the 90s in the US in the shadow of the early All Volunteer Force and tales of long-haired soldiers, unions and doobies.  The problems were particularly bad the further you got from F echelon.  In F echelon the brass trotted out Light Infantry Battalions and the COHORT system (COHesion, Operational Readiness, Training). The COHORT system was a US attempt to emulate what they saw as the best aspects of the Commonwealth regimental system.

COHORT, according to LTG Bolger ("Death Ground",  "Brave Rifles chapter") worked well and was accordingly abandoned because it caused the personnel system too many headaches.

But COHORT only applied to F Echelon, and Lt Inf in particular.

The other parts of the Army got "Warrior" and an insistence of wearing combats even when doing their jobs, essentially "civilian" jobs, continents away from the enemy.  This was to remind them that they were part of the Army and their purpose, their "duty", was to do their "civilian" job efficiently and well to support those in F echelon that were actively engaging the enemy.  Leaving work at 4:30 on a Thursday while troops were engaged was not acceptable behaviour.

Thus, the Warrior-Clerk.
 
Remius said:
One can look back at history to see the difference.


Romans: Soldiers
Barbarians: Warriors

British Redcoats: Soldiers
Aboriginal warriors: warriors

Soldiers and warriors lend well to certain types of warfare.

I think that some aspects of our military need aspects of the warrior spirit.  Special forces come to mind.  The bulk though are soldiers and should be described as and encouraged to embody the soldier spirit.  Otherwise we end up with beard chits and non issued kit ;)

Remius -

You need to be a bit careful there because some of the military successes of the 18th and 19th centuries were the result of the successful disciplining and integration of warrior cultures:

Hussars, Croats, Jaegers, Rifles.

Highlanders.

Gurkhas, Sikhs, Arab Legion.

Spahis.
 
I'm fully aware that it is an American author, featured in an American publication and the fact that American usage is different than Canadian usage on the use of the letter "u" in certain words.  It was a joke folks!  Albeit, apparently a poor one...

Nevertheless, I still maintain that the author's thesis that warriors are driven by hono(u)r, whereas soldiers are not is fundamentally flawed.  Honour definitely has a place in the creation of the modern soldier.  I would like to think that the threat of prosecution for war crimes (i.e. a disciplinary system) is not the ONLY thing that keeps a soldier from burning down a schoolhouse full of children that happens to be in the way of achieving his/her objective.
 
Pusser said:
I'm fully aware that it is an American author, featured in an American publication and the fact that American usage is different than Canadian usage on the use of the letter "u" in certain words.  It was a joke folks!  Albeit, apparently a poor one...

Nevertheless, I still maintain that the author's thesis that warriors are driven by hono(u)r, whereas soldiers are not is fundamentally flawed.  Honour definitely has a place in the creation of the modern soldier.  I would like to think that the threat of prosecution for war crimes (i.e. a disciplinary system) is not the ONLY thing that keeps a soldier from burning down a schoolhouse full of children that happens to be in the way of achieving his/her objective.

I think you are confusing the use of "Honour".  There is a difference between being honourable, and killing for the sake of family or clan honour.
 
George Wallace said:
I think you are confusing the use of "Honour".  There is a difference between being honourable, and killing for the sake of family or clan honour.

I don't think I'm confused at all.  I will concede though that some so-called "honour codes" are less than honourable.  Some historians argue that the atrocities committed against POWs by some Japanese soldiers during WWII were a result of a misunderstanding of "bushido," in that they saw weakness as "dishonourable" and, therefore, the weak (e.g. those who surrendered) were considered less than human and treated horribly.  This of course ignores the idea that bushido is a code of chivalry that actually includes compassion and benevolence toward others.
 
Pusser said:
I'm fully aware that it is an American author, featured in an American publication and the fact that American usage is different than Canadian usage on the use of the letter "u" in certain words.  It was a joke folks!  Albeit, apparently a poor one...

But, Pusser, frequently, you're not joking.  Was just taking you at face value.
 
Daniel nails it, of course:

"In any place where they fight, a man who knows how to drill men can always be a King. We shall go to those parts and say to any King we find — "D'you want to vanquish your foes?' and we will show him how to drill men; for that we know better than anything else. Then we will subvert that King and seize his Throne and establish a Dynasty."

Daniel Dravot, The Man Who Would be King

 
There is a difference between behaving honourably, and fighting for personal honour.  The warrior seeks personal honour, or glory if you prefer, at the expense of the collective good, in some cases.  Refer to the "Highland Charge" as an example.  Glorious it was, effective?  Sometimes, but volley fire put decent holes into it most of the time.
 
I knew that I'd seen this before.
http://army.ca/forums/threads/114118/post-1291539.html#msg1291539

Pusser said:
Nevertheless, I still maintain that the author's thesis that warriors are driven by hono(u)r, whereas soldiers are not is fundamentally flawed.
I am not sure that is the thesis.  It seems more that the warrior is an individual while a soldier is a disciplined part of a collective.
The author also describes what he means by "honor" and "honor culture" and it is something very different from how you would interpret those words in your use of them today.
 
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