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That's what I meant, just wasn't clear. Still makes absolutely zero sense.

If someone earns a clearance diver badge, jump wings etc they can still wear them regardless of what trade/element they end up in. This is just standards RCN stupidity, good thing our ships are in great shape and fully crewed with no issues to be sorted out.

Even though this didn't take much actual work (virtually none, based on the quality of the pin) still pretty much any time they spent on this could have been better spent doing anything else. If they were going to half ass a pin for a core trade progression milestone they should have started with the various NCM ones, not the NWOs. I don't think anyone wants any, but really just seems like an NWO dick swinging item for the wet/dry lists that have started. Which is redundant really, and if someone needs a golden moustache for people to know they were a CO, probably weren't a good one (but not bad enough to make the paper).
Trade milestones for NCMS are recognized with promotion. If you achieve the qualification you can be promoted.*

Trade milestones listed for these NWO badges are not promotable gateways (though they add points to the PER). I do not know what LCdr/Cdr NWO's have for qualifications especially when you mix in PRes. Plenty of MCDV CO's and AOPS CO's will not have been an ORO.*

Basically we are all losing our s*** over what is essentially, at its core, a trade badge.
NWO SLt and above will have it (bronze minimum), Engineers will not. Loggies will still have their different cap badge.

As for wet/dry that balloon was popped well over 10 years ago. When the CMS sent out a letter to all MARS officers regarding the career progression opportunity differences between those unofficial lists. Basically spoke to the elephant in the room.

*I know @Navy_Pete you know this, I'm not being condescending, just being extra clear for the public forum's sake as others may not know it.
 

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That the RCN can with a straight face claim personnel shortages and keep a list of NWOs who won't go to sea...

But multi colour moustache badge is the answer
Regarding wet/dry list. I saw the writing on the wall that I had no chance for getting command, but I had other qualities that were useful on the staff side. I will still go to sea if the opportunities are there, but at my age, it'll be the Orca's only.
 

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That the RCN can with a straight face claim personnel shortages and keep a list of NWOs who won't go to sea...

But multi colour moustache badge is the answer
There is a pretty large cohort of NWOs that won't/can't go to sea anymore.

My favorite are the ones that are morbidly obese and DAGed RED during COVID because we can't guarantee they aren't a massive liability at sea.

They also can't fit in bunker gear so they end up being a useless oxygen thief in the section bases in an emergency. Nothing says leadership like watching others go save the ship for you 🤣
 

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That the RCN can with a straight face claim personnel shortages and keep a list of NWOs who won't go to sea...
There's no "list" per say. Just that there are only so many positions/promotions that one can get without having the previous seagoing experience.

It's more of a wet vs dry career path. If one is happy to stay at their current rank and work for the RCN then they are happy to have you. Lots of people top out in their careers.
 

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Regarding wet/dry list. I saw the writing on the wall that I had no chance for getting command, but I had other qualities that were useful on the staff side. I will still go to sea if the opportunities are there, but at my age, it'll be the Orca's only.
Don't worry, when I create my own maritime militia in the coming global apocalypse, you'll be first up for the newly formed St Pierre de Miquelon Admiralty Board 😁
 

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Don't worry, when I create my own maritime militia in the coming global apocalypse, you'll be first up for the newly formed St Pierre de Miquelon Admiralty Board 😁
During the 2008 recession, a number of us PRes sailors were considering a naval security service to escort ships through the Red Sea and Straits of Hormuz. Then the mess closed.
 

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Don't worry, when I create my own maritime militia in the coming global apocalypse, you'll be first up for the newly formed St Pierre de Miquelon Admiralty Board 😁
Find yourself a small island, a cunning engineer good at tunnelling, and get yourself a History channel show!
 

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There is a pretty large cohort of NWOs that won't/can't go to sea anymore.

My favorite are the ones that are morbidly obese and DAGed RED during COVID because we can't guarantee they aren't a massive liability at sea.

They also can't fit in bunker gear so they end up being a useless oxygen thief in the section bases in an emergency. Nothing says leadership like watching others go save the ship for you 🤣
But retention, right?
 

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Don't worry, when I create my own maritime militia in the coming global apocalypse, you'll be first up for the newly formed St Pierre de Miquelon Admiralty Board 😁

Can I run the Supply branch for you ? First Sea Lord Victualing and Stores ? Has a nice ring ;)

Trade milestones for NCMS are recognized with promotion. If you achieve the qualification you can be promoted.*

Trade milestones listed for these NWO badges are not promotable gateways (though they add points to the PER). I do not know what LCdr/Cdr NWO's have for qualifications especially when you mix in PRes. Plenty of MCDV CO's and AOPS CO's will not have been an ORO.*

Basically we are all losing our s*** over what is essentially, at its core, a trade badge.
NWO SLt and above will have it (bronze minimum), Engineers will not. Loggies will still have their different cap badge.

As for wet/dry that balloon was popped well over 10 years ago. When the CMS sent out a letter to all MARS officers regarding the career progression opportunity differences between those unofficial lists. Basically spoke to the elephant in the room.

*I know @Navy_Pete you know this, I'm not being condescending, just being extra clear for the public forum's sake as others may not know it.

If this helps with retention and addresses the problems that some recent blunt and alarming email traffic has brought to light then bully for all!

Cultural change has always been lead by new badges! ;)
 

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They also can't fit in bunker gear so they end up being a useless oxygen thief in the section bases in an emergency. Nothing says leadership like watching others go save the ship for you 🤣
Could they perhaps be used as ‘conformal shoring’ for DC? Form-fitting, expansive, waterproof, etc. win-win for the DC Team!
 

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During the 2008 recession, a number of us PRes sailors were considering a naval security service to escort ships through the Red Sea and Straits of Hormuz. Then the mess closed.
There are a couple of pretty established companies already doing that unfortunately:






Market is very saturated at the moment and it's incredibly difficult for Canadians to break in because we lack the credentials and are competing with Royal Marine Commandos, Ex French + Dutch Naval Infantry, etc. Not to mention the plethora of Eastern Europeans that will work for pennies on the dollar and don't come calling with a list of extensive demands LOL.

Generally, the requirements are that you're ex-combat arms and have experience in the special operating/high risk area.

Perun HRS advertises job openings for different nationalities on their facebook page. You just need to send them a CV and they will contact you if they are interested.

Training for their Maritime Security Officers takes place in Poland.
 

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There are a couple of pretty established companies already doing that unfortunately:






Market is very saturated at the moment and it's incredibly difficult for Canadians to break in because we lack the credentials and are competing with Royal Marine Commandos, Ex French + Dutch Naval Infantry, etc. Not to mention the plethora of Eastern Europeans that will work for pennies on the dollar and don't come calling with a list of extensive demands LOL.

Generally, the requirements are that you're ex-combat arms and have experience in the special operating/high risk area.

Perun HRS advertises job openings for different nationalities on their facebook page. You just need to send them a CV and they will contact you if they are interested.

Training for their Maritime Security Officers takes place in Poland.
Oh no you miss the entire point. We bring our own ship and hunt down the pirates like privateers. Its no fun riding in someone else's ship shooting small arms.
 

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Oh no you miss the entire point. We bring our own ship and hunt down the pirates like privateers. Its no fun riding in someone else's ship shooting small arms.
You'd need a letter of marque but I am sure you know this.

Where do I apply?
 

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You'd need a letter of marque but I am sure you know this.

Where do I apply?
Do you know how to use a 50 cal? You're hired. Letter of Marque is a tougher thing but we could get one from a lot of places like Denmark as Maersk is run out of there, or some landlocked country assuming that we cut them into the profits. How does Kazhakistan sound?

The question is do we go the Q ship route and small boats boarding actions, or do we go with a faster ship and just run them down and shoot their boats?
 

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So, the NAVORD cites QR&O 4.12 as its authority. Which grants commanders of commands authority to issue orders to their subordinates.

A NWO posted out of the RCN is no longer under the command of the RCN.

Does that mean they have to remove the non-heraldic moustache?
 

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Do you know how to use a 50 cal? You're hired. Letter of Marque is a tougher thing but we could get one from a lot of places like Denmark as Maersk is run out of there, or some landlocked country assuming that we cut them into the profits. How does Kazhakistan sound?

The question is do we go the Q ship route and small boats boarding actions, or do we go with a faster ship and just run them down and shoot their boats?
Q Ship based on a seized Russian Mega Yacht (most of them have pretty impressive firepower already.
 

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Do you know how to use a 50 cal? You're hired. Letter of Marque is a tougher thing but we could get one from a lot of places like Denmark as Maersk is run out of there, or some landlocked country assuming that we cut them into the profits. How does Kazhakistan sound?

The question is do we go the Q ship route and small boats boarding actions, or do we go with a faster ship and just run them down and shoot their boats?

I’m an old 50 guy from way back. I need a few days to reacquaint myself with it.

Tactics I’ll leave to Navy guys. Get me there and let slip the dogs of war…

Come to think of it we might need a few 7.62 cal MGs as well
 

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So, the NAVORD cites QR&O 4.12 as its authority. Which grants commanders of commands authority to issue orders to their subordinates.

A NWO posted out of the RCN is no longer under the command of the RCN.

Does that mean they have to remove the non-heraldic moustache?

But they are still career managed by the RCN.

It's an interesting quandary.
 
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