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Tactical Armoured Patrol Vehicle - RG-31, LAV Coyote, and (partial) G-Wagon Replacement

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Old EO Tech said:
  How they are going to be used in the LIB is still not all that clear other than creating a motorized LI Coy...and to be honest the LIB don't want the TAPV as it's a vehicle without doctrine to support it's use.

A case of manning the equipment vs equipping the men?
 

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TAPV, although considered a light vehicle, doesn't translate to a LIB IMO.

Manning the vehicle, plus the minimal troop and equipment capacity makes it poor choice for a LIB.  They would probably rather large capacity trucks or helos. 

And short of that, they would probably rather walk, with an air delivery for sustainment equipment after the fact. 
 

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GnyHwy said:
TAPV, although considered a light vehicle, doesn't translate to a LIB IMO.

Manning the vehicle, plus the minimal troop and equipment capacity makes it poor choice for a LIB.  They would probably rather large capacity trucks or helos. 

And short of that, they would probably rather walk, with an air delivery for sustainment equipment after the fact.

True, Old EO probably hit the nail on the head with their usage for other jobs,  CIMIC, Psyops, DnS, PRT,  Sigs, convoy, MPs etC.... But I' won't be surprised if they do get assigned to LIB and try to squash them into some sort of org, someone posted earlier that the Van Doos were trying to situate the estimate on TAPV deployment to LIBs.  I think it could work but it needs to be experimented with.
 

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There is a use for TAPVs in an LIB.  Just not as a prime mover. 

From my hearsay, 5 Bde is always willing to experiment and give things a shot.

 

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True, Old EO probably hit the nail on the head with their usage for other jobs,  CIMIC, Psyops, DnS, PRT,  Sigs, convoy, MPs etC.... But I' won't be surprised if they do get assigned to LIB and try to squash them into some sort of org, someone posted earlier that the Van Doos were trying to situate the estimate on TAPV deployment to LIBs.  I think it could work but it needs to be experimented with.

The only use I would see them in the LIB would be as a replacement for the Jeep/Iltis/G Wagen; as Rovers and perhaps CO's Tac.  Other than as a B Ech vehicle, CIMIC, Psyops, etc. would be a good choice of where to send them. 
 

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Anyone know anything about the TAPV at ASU Ottawa? I noticed on the sign in sheet lots of Textron people coming and going. Was walking around trying to get some good pictures of the Husky and Buffalo and saw the back barn door open and the rear end of the TAPV.
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Could be DLCSPM working on comms installs? They need to make a fleet-wide standard and have it pass a technical inspection before TCCCS goes into the vehicles.
 

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KerryBlue said:
.......... Was walking around trying to get some good pictures of the Husky and Buffalo and saw the back barn door open and the rear end of the TAPV.

Ummmmmm?

>:D
 

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TCBF said:
Anyone miss LETE yet?

:D

That picture looks like it was taken at MTD(LESC), in Uplands, which is what is left of LETE, but now part of QETE.  A few years ago I worked in that very sprung shelter.
 

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Old EO Tech said:
That picture looks like it was taken at MTD(LESC), in Uplands, which is what is left of LETE, but now part of QETE.  A few years ago I worked in that very sprung shelter.

It was.  :subbies:
 

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Bumped with the latest from the info-machine:
The Canadian Army (CA) is preparing to take delivery of the new Tactical Armoured Patrol Vehicle (TAPV) by the end of 2016. The fleet of 500 vehicles will be distributed across seven bases and 24 units. 2nd Canadian Division will be the first formation to operate the TAPV, which will be part of a High Readiness Training Cycle culminating in Exercise MAPLE RESOLVE 2018.

The CA expects to declare full operational capability by mid-2020, following training of all operators, and completion of user trials and exercises confirming operational readiness.

Brigadier-General S.M. Cadden, Chief of Staff Army Strategy, expresses the Army’s building excitement for fielding this new fleet.

“"The Army has closely followed the testing of this vehicle. We currently have over a dozen Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) personnel participating in testing activities, and they are relaying very positive feedback,"” he said. “"We are looking forward to fielding the TAPV to units."”

The TAPV, built by Textron Systems Canada Inc., was chosen after a rigorous evaluation process that included testing for mobility, firepower, survivability and human factors, as well as a paper-based evaluation of other technical and financial criteria.

The TAPV will be delivered in two variants: General Utility and Reconnaissance. The only differences between variants are their internal design and certain pieces of equipment. The Reconnaissance variant will be fielded to armoured reconnaissance squadrons, infantry reconnaissance platoons and the Royal Canadian Armoured Corps School.

A notable feature of the TAPV is its very high level of protection and survivability against enemy threats, which includes improvised explosive devices, explosively-formed projectiles, and anti-armour weapons. The Textron Systems vehicle far exceeds the Army’s essential requirements for protection levels, thereby offering an additional degree of confidence for operators when entering enemy theatre.

In addition to offering a higher degree of protection, the vehicle will be highly mobile. It is designed to effectively travel long distances on both roads and cross-country terrain. At just under 18,597 kilograms in weight, this light armoured vehicle can perform a wide variety of roles and tasks, including reconnaissance and surveillance, security (patrolling and escort), command and control, and armoured transport of personnel and equipment. Four TAPVs can be transported simultaneously by a CC-177 Globemaster III, providing good strategic mobility ...
 

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Given how hard it is to timely procure vehicles, anyone think DND might exercises the option to pick up 100 more TAPVs? as per the contract? also here is the delivery schedule

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MilEME09 said:
Given how hard it is to timely procure vehicles, anyone think DND might exercises the option to pick up 100 more TAPVs? as per the contract? also here is the delivery schedule

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When did they stand up the 2nd RCR Regiment?
 

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Must be where the budget keeps going, super secret black ops 2nd RCR
 

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MilEME09 said:
Given how hard it is to timely procure vehicles, anyone think DND might exercises the option to pick up 100 more TAPVs?
Why?  To have more of the wrong vehicle?  We have already decided that we do not want the TAPV in the largest role for which we bought it and each area is now inventing jobs for the ones we are committed to buying.
 

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Why?  To have more of the wrong vehicle?  We have already decided that we do not want the TAPV in the largest role for which we bought it and each area is now inventing jobs for the ones we are committed to buying.
We do have a history of making do with what we have. 100 more could mean 100 less of some older high maintenance cost vehicles out of service. Is it a good recce vehicle? No but we can find plenty of other uses, heck give me an hour and I can probably figure out how to turn one into a light armoured MRT or a list of other roles

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We would be doing ourselves a disservice by buying the wrong vehicle because it is easy.  The money could be better invested by rolling it into the project intended to replace Bisons with new armoured MRTS and other support vehicles.  Or, use the money to correct for the LAV UP project being not sufficiently funded to bring all LAV III to LAV 6.0 standard.

Don't spend money just because you have any easy button.
 

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We could put the money into a complete rebuild of the Coyote fleet.
 
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