Ukraine - Superthread

[Kilted]

Or maybe we need to hit back? What about those poor oppressed ethnic Poles, Ukrainians, germans, etc.. in Kaliningrad

Now which country would it go to?

 

[daftandbarmy]

Or maybe we need to hit back? What about those poor oppressed ethnic Poles, Ukrainians, germans, etc.. in Kaliningrad

'Never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake.' Napoleon

 

[Kirkhill]

I’m not a fan of isolationism, I think it is short sighted and hurts America in the long run. Basically I’m a big fan of fighting wars in other peoples homes and not mine.

But, I also think that at a certain point, that everyone needs to pull their own weight. Maybe losing a bit of Europe would reinforce that a point.

But not the former Warsaw countries/Baltic’s. They have suffered enough under the Russian yoke and for the most most they take their participation in NATO seriously.

I'm with C_p on this one.

The problem is that most of the old Westerners will be only too happy to give up Poland, again.

It is a play they have used for a thousand years or more.

File:Territorial-changes-of-Poland-1635-2009.gif - Wikimedia Commons

commons.wikimedia.org

 

[MilEME09]

Now which country would it go to?

logically i'd say Poland as it used to be Königsberg, and ethnically german till the soviets kicked them all out and shipped soviet citizens in. Pull off a little Green men operation and Russia looses the home base of the baltic fleet, and a major economic hub.

Estonian president calls for more NATO troops to defend against Russia threat

‘We need a strong presence to make sure we are not going to be attacked,’ says Alar Karis.

www.politico.eu

Baltic are getting Nervous and requesting more NATO forces.

 

[Altair]

logically i'd say Poland as it used to be Königsberg, and ethnically german till the soviets kicked them all out and shipped soviet citizens in. Pull off a little Green men operation and Russia looses the home base of the baltic fleet, and a major economic hub.

Estonian president calls for more NATO troops to defend against Russia threat

‘We need a strong presence to make sure we are not going to be attacked,’ says Alar Karis.

www.politico.eu

Baltic are getting Nervous and requesting more NATO forces.

They saw how willing Washington, Ottawa, Paris and Berlin were all to willing to let Moscow have its way with Kiev and need reassuring that they are not as disposable.

 

[The Bread Guy]

logically i'd say Poland as it used to be Königsberg, and ethnically german till the soviets kicked them all out and shipped soviet citizens in. Pull off a little Green men operation and Russia looses the home base of the baltic fleet, and a major economic hub.

That would take a lot more political will than I'm seeing indications of from most of NATO ...

Meanwhile, from the Russian TASS info-machine (all links to archived article) ...

• "Canada’s weapons supplies to Ukraine will fuel conflict, Russian envoy warns"
• "Russia not concerned about Canada’s sanctions over Ukraine, ambassador says"
• "State Duma to hash over draft appeal to president on recognizing DPR, LPR, says speaker"
• "Russia’s demand for NATO pullout also applies to Bulgaria, Romania, says Foreign Ministry -- It is about withdrawing foreign troops, equipment and weapons, as well as about other steps aimed at restoring the 1997 configuration of those countries who weren’t NATO members at that time ..."

 

[Halifax Tar]

I had to google him. Great another book to read lol

 

[Czech_pivo]

Interesting flight plan for this plane out of Diepholz Air base (actually, 'seen' near Diepholz, not sure if its from there). Not sure whose aircraft it is (looks like a RC-135 from the USAF) but its the first I've seen out of Germany making these big sweeping loops back and forth across the northern of the Crimea and just west of the Donbass. Maybe the Germans have seen the light?

JAKE11 Flight Tracking and History - FlightAware

Track JAKE11 flight from Meridian, MS to Key Fld

flightaware.com

 

[The Bread Guy]

... Maybe the Germans have seen the light?

JAKE11 Flight Tracking and History - FlightAware

Track JAKE11 flight from Meridian, MS to Key Fld

flightaware.com

"We let them fly around to take a look at things" is likely more palatable to Germany right now than "we sent Ukraine weapons (or helped that happen."

 

[Czech_pivo]

Lots' of interesting flights occurring around Poland right now. A number of helo's in the air and lots of small planes flying circular flight patterns with variation to speed/altitude.

BNI8M Bartolini Flight Tracking and History - FlightAware

Track Bartolini #8M flight from Lodz Wladyslaw Reymont to Lodz Wladyslaw Reymont

flightaware.com

SP-SPO Flight Tracking and History - FlightAware

Track SP-SPO flight from Lodz Wladyslaw Reymont to Lodz Wladyslaw Reymont

flightaware.com

BNI8A Bartolini Flight Tracking and History - FlightAware

Track Bartolini #8A flight from Lodz Wladyslaw Reymont to Lodz Wladyslaw Reymont

flightaware.com

BNI8A Bartolini Flight Tracking and History - FlightAware

Track Bartolini #8A flight from Lodz Wladyslaw Reymont to Lodz Wladyslaw Reymont

flightaware.com

SP-KAS Flight Tracking and History - FlightAware

Track SP-KAS flight from Zielona Gora/Przylep to Lodz Wladyslaw Reymont

flightaware.com

SP-AER Flight Tracking and History - FlightAware

Track SP-AER flight from Alderney to Solent Airport

flightaware.com

Helo's in Poland

SP-HPR Flight Tracking and History - FlightAware

Track SP-HPR flight from Nowy Dwor Mazowiecki

flightaware.com

SP-PSK Flight Tracking and History - FlightAware

Track SP-PSK flight from Kaniów to Kaniów

flightaware.com

No idea if today is just a good day to fly in Poland or if flight school training day is today but that's alot of smaller planes doing circles and such (there are more, I didn't post them all, probably triple the above numbers)

 

[The Bread Guy]

Speaking of flying, Transport Canada's issued a warning ....

We’ve issued a NOTAM to Canadian air operators and owners of aircraft registered in Canada advising not to enter the Dnipropetrovsk and Simferopol regions of Ukraine airspace due to potential risk of military activity.

Text here from the NAV Canada web page (runs from 19 Jan to 19 April - for now, anyway)

 

[AmmoTech90]

The Brits have supplied NLAW, just saw a video of them being unloaded in Ukraine.

Russia-Ukraine tensions: UK sends 30 elite troops and 2,000 anti-tank weapons to Ukraine amid fears of Russian invasion

British surveillance aircraft have also been spotted as part of a quiet but notable build-up of support to Ukraine's military by the UK.

news.sky.com

 

[Czech_pivo]

Looking like some NATO countries are stepping up to the plate.

Spain - sending an additional warship to the Black Sea to supplement their patrol ship that was already scheduled for rotation there. Also considering fighter aircraft to Bulgaria.
Also, these words from the Spanish FM - “Spain has a very clear [stance] on this. Should it prove necessary, we would act within the framework of the EU. Spain does not rule out sending its troops into the territory of Ukraine if the crisis aggravates,” he replied,
Those words are in contrast to Biden saying that he won't send US troops to the Ukraine.

Spain sends 2 warships to Black Sea for NATO exercise

Blas de Lezo and Meteoro will arrive in 3-4 days, says defense minister - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

France - has offered to send additional troops to Romania.

France ready to send NATO troops to Romania

The President of France, Emmanuel Macron, announced on Wednesday, January 19, that France would send troops to Romania as part of NATO operations to ensure the security of the eastern alliance states, G4media.ro reported. The statement comes amid a security crisis on NATO's eastern flank. "We...

www.romania-insider.com

 

[MilEME09]

Yet still no movement of the eurocorp high readiness brigade, at this point I am suspecting because the germans are resisting any multilateral efforts involving their troops. Less the face Putin turning off the taps. We shall see how this plays our in Germany next election cycle, a soft hand during this crisis could handled Germany over to more nationalist parties on the right.

 

[The Bread Guy]

... We shall see how this plays our in Germany next election cycle, a soft hand during this crisis could handled Germany over to more nationalist parties on the right.

And there's no guarantee the right there would necessarily be anti-Putin ...

 

[Czech_pivo]

And there's no guarantee the right there would necessarily be anti-Putin ...

Little doubt that the FSB has compromising photos of all these POS with their Russian 'interpreters' during their trip the Crimea.

I'd also like to better understand how a non-EU citizen, this Tamara Volokhova, can become not only the Parliamentary Attaché to a MEP, but then the 'policy advisor' to an EU political group that elects members in the EP. By the end of 2020 she obtained French citizenship, after working in France for 8yrs.

Do we here in Canada allow non-citizens to become Parliamentary Assistants and Policy Advisors to Canadian Political Parties? I mean I guess a Chinese citizen who comes here to study university can then obtain a job offer as a Parliamentary Assistant to a sitting member of Parliament and that job offer would give then 'landed immigrant' status? Is that true?

 

[Good2Golf]

Little doubt that the FSB has compromising photos of all these POS with their Russian 'interpreters' during their trip the Crimea.

I'd also like to better understand how a non-EU citizen, this Tamara Volokhova, can become not only the Parliamentary Attaché to a MEP, but then the 'policy advisor' to an EU political group that elects members in the EP. By the end of 2020 she obtained French citizenship, after working in France for 8yrs.

Do we here in Canada allow non-citizens to become Parliamentary Assistants and Policy Advisors to Canadian Political Parties? I mean I guess a Chinese citizen who comes here to study university can then obtain a job offer as a Parliamentary Assistant to a sitting member of Parliament and that job offer would give then 'landed immigrant' status? Is that true?

Well we employ(ed) them in Level 4 bio labs, so a POLAD wouldn’t be stretching…

 

[OldSolduer]

To anyone deployed there I certainly hope cooler heads prevail

 

[Jarnhamar]

Yet still no movement of the eurocorp high readiness brigade, at this point I am suspecting because the germans are resisting any multilateral efforts involving their troops. Less the face Putin turning off the taps. We shall see how this plays our in Germany next election cycle, a soft hand during this crisis could handled Germany over to more nationalist parties on the right.

It wouldn't be the first time Germany and Russia wheeled and dealed behind everyone's back.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Well we employ(ed) them in Level 4 bio labs, so a POLAD wouldn’t be stretching…

Though I don’t agree with that occurring, I can ‘see’ that angle, professionally, making some sense, though not from a security perspective.
But to hire a person who was not raised there, only spent a few years in uni there, to hire that person, with zero understanding of how a democratically elected parliament functions, as a Parliamentary Attaché and then Policy Advisor is completely BS - and if we allow this to happen here, it will be the end of us.