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Ukraine - Superthread

The Bread Guy said:
Meanwhile, all sorts of "he says, she says" about alleged talks in Gomel, Belarus ....
OP edit @ 0958E/1458Z/1658 UKR time - just posted to the UKR Pres site (txt also attached):

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I think Russia has lost his edge in negotiations, Russian forces have been pushed out of Kharkiv, they aren't making any progress in Kiev, and they have taken an estimated 1000+ casualties over night.

Russian forces appear to be in disarray, undersupplied, and lacking coordination. This is starting to look like the greatest military blunder of the 21st century.
 
Czech_pivo said:
The Southern front is my most concern. They take Zaporizhzhia and it’s game over for the troops to the southeast. They will have to defend both east and west flanks.
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My concern as well, and the reason for my lack of excitement at RUS log issues. They're still advancing.

In other news, however,
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1497881750344806406
Germany to ''re-militarize'' (NATO 2%) and build two LNG terminals (And I take this opportunity to express my anger, once again, at Trudeau and Quebec's failure to get one of those built right here in Quebec.)
 
TacticalTea said:
My concern as well, and the reason for my lack of excitement at RUS log issues. They're still advancing.

In other news, however,
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1497881750344806406
Germany to ''re-militarize'' (NATO 2%) and build two LNG terminals (And I take this opportunity to express my anger, once again, at Trudeau and Quebec's failure to get one of those built right here in Quebec.)
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So Putin was able to do what Trump couldn’t. Get some NATO countries to starting paying their part.
 
HiTechComms said:
Russians will survive, remember these crazy mothers ran into battle with half the soldiers with no guns during ww2
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Czech_pivo said:
Those crazy mothers ran into battle with half the soldiers with no guns - that was simply because the NKVD was pointing machine guns at then once they left their starting points and the moment they wavered or turned back to retreat, they opened up on them and shot them just as enthusiastically as the Germans did.
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No they didn't. And the NKVD Zagradotryad blocking detachments did not put machine guns behind regular troops (penal battalions were a different story). That was made up for Enemy at the Gates.

Red Army soldiers could be sent in with a little one cartridge, but they were not sent in unarmed (that was known to occur in Imperial Russian forces in WWI). The Zagradotryad troops would only follow regular troops and beat the shit out of anyone who attempted to desert, then sent them back into combat (worse actions usually resulted in an arrest and court martial, and being sentenced to a penal battalion). Also, WWI-style mass charges were rare in WWII and never used in Stalingrad due to the layout of the city. Executions for cowardice and desertion were allowed under Directive 227, but were rare and almost always done by court martial, not summary executions; the Soviets were more than well aware of how destructive that was to morale. Directive 227 also didn't apply to charges, and the blocking detachments were disbanded in October 1942.

Messerschmitt said:
Isn't the vodka already paid for though? Makes sense to stop all imports, but the vodka which is already in NA makes no difference other than being symbolic.
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LCBO's contracts with distributors allow them to return product for any reason, and they usually pay 30-90 days after taking delivery. So it's the distributors' problems, not LCBO, which is the third largest alcohol buyer in the world so they have a tremendous negotiating power.

Can't speak for NSLC and BCLC or whatever.
 
Interesting development
Ukrainian authorities on Sunday launched a website to help Russian families track down soldiers who have been killed or captured fighting in Moscow's invasion of the pro-Western country.

The site — 200rf.com — contains pictures of the documents and corpses of Russian soldiers Ukraine said had been killed since President Vladimir Putin launched the attack.

It also has videos of soldiers Ukraine says it has captured.

"I am talking to you in Russian because this site was created for you," Viktor Andrusiv, an adviser to the Interior Minister, said in a video posted on the site ...
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The site includes scans of RUS ID booklets of the dead to help ID folks -- not EXACTLY a "lookit how many Russians we'll killed" page, but let's see what the RUS & separatist rebel info-machines make of this.
 
MilEME09 said:
If those fuel truck numbers are even remotely true, it would explain Russian issues.
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There has been a lot of footage of logistics vehicles wiped out.

But keep in mind the Russians where effectively on Ex for almost 6 months plus - you can’t do that without a massive logistics tail, which Russia really doesn’t have.

So you start with the tank near empty, and things just get worse.
 
MilEME09 said:
If those fuel truck numbers are even remotely true, it would explain Russian issues.
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I think we've gotten capricious with regards to demanding video evidence before we accept anything as true.

Naturally, it's hard to believe numbers that very well could be inflated for propaganda, but everywhere I see comments of people denying everything until there is video evidence, as if that wasn't a luxury that has just now been introduced into our lives. (The Iphone's launch was yesterday in historical terms)
 
Maxman1 said:
No they didn't. And the NKVD Zagradotryad blocking detachments did not put machine guns behind regular troops (penal battalions were a different story). That was made up for Enemy at the Gates.

Red Army soldiers could be sent in with a little one cartridge, but they were not sent in unarmed (that was known to occur in Imperial Russian forces in WWI). The Zagradotryad troops would only follow regular troops and beat the shit out of anyone who attempted to desert, then sent them back into combat (worse actions usually resulted in an arrest and court martial, and being sentenced to a penal battalion). Also, WWI-style mass charges were rare in WWII and never used in Stalingrad due to the layout of the city. Executions for cowardice and desertion were allowed under Directive 227, but were rare and almost always done by court martial, not summary executions; the Soviets were more than well aware of how destructive that was to morale. Directive 227 also didn't apply to charges, and the blocking detachments were disbanded in October 1942.



LCBO's contracts with distributors allow them to return product for any reason, and they usually pay 30-90 days after taking delivery. So it's the distributors' problems, not LCBO, which is the third largest alcohol buyer in the world so they have a tremendous negotiating power.

Can't speak for NSLC and BCLC or whatever.
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I disagree, completely, theatres executions were rare and that they were almost always done by an independent, objective court martial where the defendant had proper military legal representation.

A report to the Commissar General of State Security (NKVD chief) Lavrentiy Beria on October 10, 1941, noted that since the beginning of the war, NKVD anti-retreat troops had detained a total of 657,364 retreating, spies, traitors, instigators and deserting personnel, of which 25,878 were arrested (of which 10,201 were sentenced to death by court martial and the rest were returned to active duty).

And that represents only the first 4 months of war.

I suggest you learn a bit more about the war atrocities committed by the NKVD over the years. I suggest reading some Solzhenitsyn to start with.
 
Remius said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1497946283918729220
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Big if true, even if the effect is only diplomatic.

Is there a more direct source for this?

So far, from the wording, it seems false.

''Implementing the Montreux convention'' is what Turkey has been doing for decades and does not constitute a change in policy. Might be just poor interpretation or translation.

It would also represent a strange turnaround from just yesterday categorically saying NO to the idea of closing the straits.
 
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