Ukraine - Superthread

[The Bread Guy]

Shot, over.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1529569279506530304

The man and/or his writers can be good with the zingers - some highlights of him speaking to German parliament in mid-March ....

... I am addressing you on behalf of older Ukrainians. Many survivors of World War II. Those who escaped during the occupation 80 years ago. Those who survived Babyn Yar. Babyn Yar that President Steinmeier visited last year. On the 80th anniversary of the tragedy. And that was hit by Russian missiles now. It is exactly this place that was hit. And the missile strike killed the family that went to Babyn Yar, to the monument. Killed again, 80 years after ...

... It is difficult to defend Ukraine, Europe without what you can do. So that you don’t look over your shoulder even after this war. After the destruction of Kharkiv... For the second time in 80 years. After the bombing of Chernihiv, Sumy and Donbas. For the second time in 80 years. After thousands of people tortured and killed. For the second time in 80 years. Otherwise, what is the historical responsibility to the Ukrainian people still not redeemed for what happened 80 years ago? ...

Meanwhile, #PokemonInt ....

SSU exposes russian special services on using smartphone games to recruit Ukrainian children (video)

ssu.gov.ua

 

[McG]

by agreeing to China's offer they wouldn't look so much like the bad guy for

Russia launched an unprovoked war, is targeting civilians and urban centres, is conducting ethnic cleansing, and is engaging in rape & pillage. Putin does not look any less evil by “allowing” Ukraine to export wheat to a starving world.

 

[Skysix]

Response to Kissinger and Davos.

And the NYT and Noam Chomsky

 

[Skysix]

Russia launched an unprovoked war, is targeting civilians and urban centres, is conducting ethnic cleansing, and is engaging in rape & pillage. Putin does not look any less evil by “allowing” Ukraine to export wheat to a starving world.

Would the world have trodden so lightly around Hitler in '45? Asked permission to put him on trial in a court Germany did not recognise? Suggested buying him off with Austria and Hungary?

No. But the goverments of the world will never do anything kinetic to wipe this disgracefull excuse for a human off the planet in fear that their leaders would recieve a polonium cocktail.

Come on Buffet, Bezos, Musk and even rhe Russian oligarchs. Put $100 million in an escrow account for the person/team (military included from any nation) that cuts off his head and places it on a stake in Kiev. 19th century punishment for 19th century fascist dictator. 21st century funding.

Hmmm. Maybe I should switch from Guiness Stout beer to Bud Lite water and chill out a bit.

SNS

 

[daftandbarmy]

And the NYT and Noam ChomskyView attachment 70995

 

[Skysix]

Why is the media STILL so farking stupid?!?

"But those deliveries, he said, "were possible until the information about the aid was disseminated. As a result, the enemy took measures to strengthen the air defense system, which made it difficult for us to carry out such actions and led to the loss of personnel and helicopters that evacuated the wounded."

Inside Ukraine's Daring Helicopter Missions Into Russian-Occupied Mariupol

With Ukrainian troops besieged in a massive steel plant and under constant fire from Russian forces, helicopter crews sprung into action.

www.thedrive.com

So with no more possibility of evac or supply they had to surrender to the tender mercies of the Chechen, DPR, LPR and Russian troops. Despite the Red Cross, I am unfortunately willing to bet 5-10% of them will dissapear.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Wait, was that just from today?

 

[MilEME09]

Why is the media STILL so farking stupid?!?

"But those deliveries, he said, "were possible until the information about the aid was disseminated. As a result, the enemy took measures to strengthen the air defense system, which made it difficult for us to carry out such actions and led to the loss of personnel and helicopters that evacuated the wounded."

Inside Ukraine's Daring Helicopter Missions Into Russian-Occupied Mariupol

With Ukrainian troops besieged in a massive steel plant and under constant fire from Russian forces, helicopter crews sprung into action.

www.thedrive.com

So with no more possibility of evac or supply they had to surrender to the tender mercies of the Chechen, DPR, LPR and Russian troops. Despite the Red Cross, I am unfortunately willing to bet 5-10% of them will dissapear.

This is why media shouldn't be allowed on the front lines

 

[Retired AF Guy]

Oryx OS Confirmed RUAF losses today

1x Su-25 strike aircraft (destroyed)

Related?? Another Russian General Reported Dead in Ukraine

 

[Skysix]

Related?? Another Russian General Reported Dead in Ukraine

Yes. Wagner pilot. Ret General.

 

[Skysix]

Related?? Another Russian General Reported Dead in Ukraine

Yes. Wagner pilot. Ret General.

 

[Kirkhill]

Somebody is playing games. Its the political season.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/05/24/massive_turns_in_opinion_on_dcs_response_to_russia_147644.html

Massive Turns in Opinion on D.C.'s Response to Russia

Reads the Headline.

Americans are becoming less supportive of punishing Russia for launching its invasion of Ukraine if it comes at the expense of the U.S. economy, a sign of rising anxiety over inflation and other challenges, according to a new poll.

But

broad support for U.S. sanctions has not faltered

the balance of opinion on prioritizing sanctions over the economy has shifted...

Now 45% of U.S. adults say the nation’s bigger priority should be sanctioning Russia as effectively as possible, while slightly more — 51% — say it should be limiting damage to the U.S. economy.

In April, those figures were exactly reversed. In March, shortly after Russia attacked Ukraine, a clear majority — 55% — said the bigger priority should be sanctioning Russia as effectively as possible.

March - 55% supported sanctions
April - 51% supported sanctions
May - 45% supported sanctions

So the massive swing, over 2 or 3 months is 5% of the population on the narrow issue of sanctions

The poll shows wide majorities of U.S. adults continue to favor imposing sanctions on Russia, banning oil imported from Russia and providing weapons to Ukraine. And most U.S. adults continue to say the U.S. should have a role in the war between Russia and Ukraine: 32% say the U.S. should have a major role in the conflict, while 49% say it should have a minor role.

81% say the US should have a role in the war?

Forty-four percent of Americans say they favor sending funds, while 32% are opposed and 23% are neither in favor nor opposed.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/05/24/massive_turns_in_opinion_on_dcs_response_to_russia_147644.html

Americans are onside.
But there is a faction that seems to want to change that.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Oh what a tangled web of who has to give who permission ....

Israel rejects U.S. request to approve missile transfer to Ukraine

The Spike missiles are made in Germany with Israeli technology and under an Israeli license.

www.axios.com

 

[Kirkhill]

I foresee a whole lot of contracts being rewritten with a lot of National Security exceptions.

 

[Spencer100]

You mean the T-62s spotted in Luhansk after being taken out of storage? An M72 can kill those, from the front!

I hope the Russians keep the new, reformed and re-equiped conscripted BTGs with decade conforming uniforms and equipment. The T-62 with 1960's trucks and uniforms, when they get to the T-55. I think the troops would be fetching in fifties styles. You know for consistency.
1970s

1960's

1940s

 

[daftandbarmy]

Oh what a tangled web of who has to give who permission ....

Israel rejects U.S. request to approve missile transfer to Ukraine

The Spike missiles are made in Germany with Israeli technology and under an Israeli license.

www.axios.com

 

[daftandbarmy]

Yes. Wagner pilot. Ret General.

They could bury him in that hat

 

[Skysix]

They could bury him in that hat

Compensating for something.....

 

[KevinB]

Americans are onside.
But there is a faction that seems to want to change that.

Yeah Russia…

 

[MilEME09]

Yeah Russia…

And their feelers in Germany, Hungary,and turkey