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The Bread Guy

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Kremlin info-machine on how world food issues are the West's fault & how USSR 2.0 can help (archived link from Kremlin readout of chat w/FRA & DEU's leaders) ...
... Vladimir Putin explained the real reasons for the unstable food supplies, saying that the disruptions were due to Western countries’ erroneous economic and financial policies, as well as their anti-Russia sanctions. He substantiated his statements with evidence and specific data. Russia, on the other hand, is ready to help find options for unhindered grain exports, including the export of Ukrainian grain from the Black Sea ports. Increasing the supplies of Russian fertilisers and agricultural produce will also help reduce tensions in the global food market, but that will definitely require the lifting of the relevant sanctions ...
 

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Two separate articles, but both provide some interesting analysis


 

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Bad news for the security service boss of Kharkiv - this from UKR Pres's end-of-day speech (highlights mine) ....
... I held a meeting with the leadership of the region and the city. Thanked them for being and remaining together with the people of Kharkiv, together with Ukraine. And - what is very important now - together with each other. They have one hundred percent cooperation - the army, the police, the mayor of Kharkiv, the regional state administration - everyone really works for victory and does it very effectively.

Unfortunately, this cannot be said about the local leadership of the Security Service of Ukraine. I arrived. Clarified the situation. Dismissed the head of the Security Service of the region. For not working to defend the city from the first days of a full-scale war, but thinking only of himself personally. What were the motives? Law enforcement officers will find out ...
 

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Since March of this year, Russia began using Su-57 aircraft in Ukraine, TASS reported. Although the bulk of the Ukrainian air defense launchers have already been disabled, there are still a number of S-300 air defense systems, Buk air defense systems and a large number of MANPADS. Su-57s in Ukraine “operate outside the zone of active destruction by air defense systems, using long-range missile weapons of the R-37M missile, with a flight range of 200 km.
@Soldier35, so Russia has the amazing stealth fighter jet Su-57, but the VKS pilots are too scared to come close to UKR air Defence systems? 🤔 That seems to make all the Rubles that Russia spent developing the Su-57 to be a waste of money, no?
 

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@Soldier35, so Russia has the amazing stealth fighter jet Su-57, but the VKS pilots are too scared to come close to UKR air Defence systems? 🤔 That seems to make all the Rubles that Russia spent developing the Su-57 to be a waste of money, no?

Well the entire VKS only has 6 of them, so they have to use 'em sparingly. :rolleyes:
 

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Since March of this year, Russia began using Su-57 aircraft in Ukraine, TASS reported. Although the bulk of the Ukrainian air defense launchers have already been disabled, there are still a number of S-300 air defense systems, Buk air defense systems and a large number of MANPADS. Su-57s in Ukraine “operate outside the zone of active destruction by air defense systems, using long-range missile weapons of the R-37M missile, with a flight range of 200 km.

Doing the math here:

Your brand-new, 5th generation stealth jet, first delivered in December of 2020 is threatened by a surface to air missile system designed 50'ish years ago?

#plothole
 

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Russia isn’t concerned so much with MLRS and HiMARS on its own. Yes the rocket range and weight of fire is impressive, but it’s the fact that ATACMS and PrSM can be loaded on those plaforms.
ATACMS offers a significant increase in range - even if we stick with the ~499km OS range, and ignore that the current stock was improved significantly with propellant changes when we opted out of INF (which banned 500-5,500km missiles)

If you put a ATACMS in some areas of Ukraine then all of Belarus, the occupied areas of Ukraine and a lot of tasty bits of Russia become targets.
 

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Russia isn’t concerned so much with MLRS and HiMARS on its own. Yes the rocket range and weight of fire is impressive, but it’s the fact that ATACMS and PrSM can be loaded on those plaforms.
ATACMS offers a significant increase in range - even if we stick with the ~499km OS range, and ignore that the current stock was improved significantly with propellant changes when we opted out of INF (which banned 500-5,500km missiles)

If you put a ATACMS in some areas of Ukraine then all of Belarus, the occupied areas of Ukraine and a lot of tasty bits of Russia become targets.
But Russia isn't at war with anybody so what is the problem? 🤗
 

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Russia isn’t concerned so much with MLRS and HiMARS on its own. Yes the rocket range and weight of fire is impressive, but it’s the fact that ATACMS and PrSM can be loaded on those plaforms.
ATACMS offers a significant increase in range - even if we stick with the ~499km OS range, and ignore that the current stock was improved significantly with propellant changes when we opted out of INF (which banned 500-5,500km missiles)

If you put a ATACMS in some areas of Ukraine then all of Belarus, the occupied areas of Ukraine and a lot of tasty bits of Russia become targets.
Which would allow strikes at logistics hubs in Russian territory that feed the Donbas
 

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I think Russia is most upset that HIMARS and MLRS will bring the War to Russia; which was very much never a consideration during the crayon sessions that were Putin's War Cabinet
Mind you, if USSR 2.0 leadership is as ornery as some say, it would also give them an excuse to bring the fight to other "depots supporting the other side" areas, too, if their own rear areas are attacked in any significant way.
 
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