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USSOCOM Adopts FN Rifle System for SCAR

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USSOCOM has adopted this weapons system in 5.56 and 7.62, apparently quick change to replace the M4, the Mk11, the M14 and the Mk12 rifles.

 
No they have not.

What they did is a search for a possible replacement and SCAR has goen into protype testing (12 models)

Ignore Defence Review - the guy is an IDIOT
SCAR is very much in doubt - it has to be proven to be a better system than the current crop.  AND the US ARMY has just recently releaesed a MWS request that may put SCAR (whos funding has been pretty much trashed) in permamnet limbo like the XM-8
 
Thanks for the clarification Kevin.  Though I hope you can understand my confusion.....

United States Special Operations Command Announces Award for the Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle (SCAR) to FN Herstal
 
 
(Source: FN Herstal; issued Jan. 20, 2005)
 
 
MACDILL AIR FORCE BASE, TAMPA, Fla. --- The United States Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) today announced that it has awarded the contract for the Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle (SCAR) to FN Herstal. 

The USSOCOM awarded an Indefinite Delivery Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) contract after conducting a full and open competition throughout ten months beginning in January 2004. The program will provide the first 21st century modular assault rifle designed and built from the ground up for the finest fighting forces in the world. The SCAR will be made in the United States. The $634K (FY05) contract is set to begin immediately and will be managed by USSOCOM.

Troy Smith, Program Manager, Special Operations Forces, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC), the center conducting the testing, said, "I am pleased to announce this partnership with FN Herstal. We announced the RFP in January 2004 and the company was selected from numerous world wide competitors in November 2004. This company has a long and successful history of designing and manufacturing weapons that make a difference, having made the Mk 46, Mk 48, the M249, M240 and the .50 Cal M2/M3 Series machine guns. The command vision of USSOCOM is to be the premier team of special warriors, thoroughly prepared, properly equipped, and highly motivated: at the right place, at the right time, leading the Global War on Terrorism, accomplishing the strategic objectives of the United States. 

"We are very excited to continue that legacy with this award and the SCAR program. We have begun this at a time where world events dictate that Operators have a 21st century modular weapon. As we all know, modularity is the key to flexibility. The SCAR Heavy, especially, comes not a moment too soon -- with less weight, increased lethality, reduced maintenance and logistics burdens. I am proud to begin this relationship to help deliver a product that will make a difference in the way Operators fight." 

FNH USA President and CEO Louis Dillais said, "Along the lines of its 30- year commitment to the United States Defense community, FN Herstal will fully support the SCAR program to provide the United States Operators in the field with a weapons system that meets their requirements." 

Specifically, the SCAR L, a 5.56 mm assault rifle, replaces the M4A1, Close Quarters Battle Rifle (CQBR) and Mk12. The SCAR H, a 7.62mm assault rifle, replaces the M14 and Mk11. Both variants of the SCAR will have three barrel lengths. The SCAR barrel change allows Operators to best tailor the weapon for each operation, using the "standard", the Close Quarters Combat (CQC), or "sniper" barrels. These changes will affect the velocity and directly relate to lethality. Modularity also allows Operators to choose the right time for these tradeoffs. Finally, there is more than 90% commonality between the SCAR L and SCAR H versions. 

The SCAR will be built at the FN Manufacturing LLC, plant in Columbia, South Carolina, which employs approximately 500 people. The Herstal Group, a 2500-person strong corporation, employs nearly 900 people in the United States. The Herstal Group has its headquarters in Liege, Belgium, the heart of Europe, and offices as well as manufacturing facilities in nine other European countries, Asia and North America. 
 
You are correct that the FN prototype won the contract. Here is a powerpoint presentation that shows an overview of the program.

http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2003smallarms/spell.ppt
 
I have spoken to Paul Miller at Crane who is the Project Manager for SCAR - and as well the Mini Day/Nigth Sight's PM Gus Taylor.  I also know a few people at FN.

All the SuperFNC/SCAR gun did is win the downselect for 12 prototypes.

What has to happen now is the 12 prototypes get the crap kicked out fo them in testing beside the M4A1 to see if it really is all that.  I know mnay US SOF end users are already upset with some issues on the SCAR prototypes.
  The mag release fence - the pencil barrel - etc...
 
Good enough Kevin, thanks

That does make sense.  624k for a dozen prototypes and some testing and development sounds about right.  Doesn't sound like a bulk buy right enough.

Cheers,  :salute:
 
Dont get me wrong - I think FN can and will improve the system.  The problem will be the weight will go up --> same situations as the XM-8 fiasco

  Diemaco had high hopes on SCAR - I spoke to one of their higher folks about the project (they had entires) -- SCAR could evolve into oor SARPIII gun 10-15 years down the road...

Time will tell however IF the US budget will allow for a new weapons developement project they are killing of R&D on a vast amount of things to finance the Iraqi "project"-- I will know more on Friday at SHOT where I can pester a few buddies in USSOC and FN.




 
I don't see what is so wrong with the m4a1 that i needs to be replaced. THe SCAR looks bulkier and would be heavier with all the metal. The m4a1 is battle tested. Maybe someone can enlighten me.
 
CFL said:
SARPIII???

Go look on the DIN...
Or remind Mike and I will flip him the link.


Eliteboris  weapons have finite lives (something the CF seems to forget about constantly)
USSOC pers in some units fire more than 75k a year of rounds.  Same with Canadian SOF.

Carbines are pretty much done for at the 12-15K mark - barrels and bolts - and over a year an individual in such a unit can cylce through 3 weapons - some will be good to got just needing a new barrel and bolt (and bolts give way usually before the barrels) - others pins will have been damaged - the annodising worn etc and have to go to depot level rebuild or taken out fo service and be destroyed for they are no longer fit.

SO USSOC descided if they have to keep buying new M4A1's all the time - they might want to look at replacign the system with a longer lasting and incrementally improved system.


Cheers



 
Try here:
http://www.vcds.forces.gc.ca/dgsp/pubs/rep-pub/ddm/scip/annex/ct04_e.asp#36.5
 
I know the open source one says SARP II - but the DIN version refers to greater costing breakdown and SARPIII as well as PDW and other info.

I am out till the 7th of March playing doorkicker and bullet taker - I will try to remember to flip you the DIN budget link.
 
Its the new rifle selected by Army Special Operations Command. I suspect it will compete with the XM-8 for Army wide issue.
 
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