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http://www.everyjoe.com/2017/03/13/politics/kill-enemies-win/#1

Before you slam it as nonsense; take a look at the man's credentials and his other work.

Personally; I feel like the writing is on the wall, but I'd love to hear what other people think.

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Re: Dear Canada; an article we should all read and consider.
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2017, 17:25:55 »
http://www.everyjoe.com/2017/03/13/politics/kill-enemies-win/#1

Before you slam it as nonsense; take a look at the man's credentials and his other work.

Personally; I feel like the writing is on the wall, but I'd love to hear what other people think.
Good start:  "attributing" a quote to Prince Valiant, but footnoting waaaaaaaaaaay at the bottom saying, "As far as I know and believe, the fool has never said this"

If you like the idea of another country under one leader running Canada's security, remember to think about what it would be like under a different leader you're not so happy with.  Just like that "values questionnaire" thing - great, as long as you agree with the values being asked about.
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Re: Dear Canada; an article we should all read and consider.
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2017, 17:35:39 »
Good start:  "attributing" a quote to Prince Valiant, but footnoting waaaaaaaaaaay at the bottom saying, "As far as I know and believe, the fool has never said this"

If you like the idea of another country under one leader running Canada's security, remember to think about what it would be like under a different leader you're not so happy with.  Just like that "values questionnaire" thing - great, as long as you agree with the values being asked about.

It was more like footnote # 4 that made me regret wasting the time it took to read this.

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Re: Dear Canada; an article we should all read and consider.
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2017, 17:40:08 »
It was more like footnote # 4 that made me regret wasting the time it took to read this.

Not the People's Republic of Massachusetts?  I thought it was Fallout fan fiction for second there.
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Re: Dear Canada; an article we should all read and consider.
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2017, 19:08:18 »
Still, lots of poison in that boil.

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Re: Dear Canada; an article we should all read and consider.
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2017, 20:37:15 »
http://www.everyjoe.com/2017/03/13/politics/kill-enemies-win/#1

Before you slam it as nonsense; take a look at the man's credentials and his other work.

Personally; I feel like the writing is on the wall, but I'd love to hear what other people think.
Methinks his 'credentials' are shot with this 'work'...


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Re: Dear Canada; an article we should all read and consider.
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2017, 20:46:33 »
Methinks his 'credentials' are shot with this 'work'...


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I'm going to have to disagree with the title of this thread...I read the quotes and a few phrases.  The comments here should have been a warning. 
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Re: Dear Canada; an article we should all read and consider.
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2017, 20:47:40 »
I suspect he is speaking for an awful lot of Americans, and Australians and Brits and Canadians and Danes, and, and, and, too.

See this column by former journalist, ex-NDP candidate and now teacher Michael Valpy. Mr Valpy is no right wing fanatic, but he "gets" the fear and anger that underlie much of the sentiment that gave us Brexit and Donald Trump and may give us Marine LePen, too.

Mr Kratman is just saying, only slightly more lucidly, what many, Many, MANY people believe. I think it is a mistake to ignore what he says and hide behind the (entirely false) premise that we, Canadians, are in any respect different from our American cousins.
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Re: Dear Canada; an article we should all read and consider.
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2017, 21:07:09 »
I suspect he is speaking for an awful lot of Americans, and Australians and Brits and Canadians and Danes, and, and, and, too.

See this column by former journalist, ex-NDP candidate and now teacher Michael Valpy. Mr Valpy is no right wing fanatic, but he "gets" the fear and anger that underlie much of the sentiment that gave us Brexit and Donald Trump and may give us Marine LePen, too.

Mr Kratman is just saying, only slightly more lucidly, what many, Many, MANY people believe. I think it is a mistake to ignore what he says and hide behind the (entirely false) premise that we, Canadians, are in any respect different from our American cousins.

Here's a thought.  Arguably the NDP is Canada's original populist party.  And that is one of the reasons that it has been offside with both the Liberals and the Tories.  I'm pretty sure that Preston Manning was not the first to utter the line "Liberal, Tory, Same old Story".

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Re: Dear Canada; an article we should all read and consider.
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2017, 23:34:59 »
Canadians vote on style (hair included), and scandal, not on principle or substance.

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Re: Dear Canada; an article we should all read and consider.
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2017, 11:17:42 »
Canadians vote on style (hair included), and scandal, not on principle or substance.

A very old story. The Greek philosophers were very contemptuous of idea of Democracy, and Thucydides wrote very clearly of the dangers of Demagogues inflaming the masses and getting the Ekklēsía to vote for ill considered ideas (to the advantage of a particular Demagogue). The Res Publica Roma was an attempt to separate the masses from direct access to powe, as was the Republican structure of the Serenìsima Repùblica Vèneta and the government envisioned by the Founders of the United States.

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Re: Dear Canada; an article we should all read and consider.
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2017, 11:35:42 »
The inverted pyramid model of government? Interesting.

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Re: Dear Canada; an article we should all read and consider.
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2017, 22:27:18 »
...but conveniently avoids the fact that his countrymen trained the 9-11 attackers on America's very own territory.  Protect America from the in-flow through Canadian airports and seaports?  Not if you guys are training them from within your own borders.

Popularist this guy may be, but that doesn't mean 175,000,000 of 350,000,000 Americans are right if their own Nation has some issues in the decades to come that are an "unforeseen" side-effect of the disassembly of large portions of current government.  The Confucians in Beijing may indeed only have to wait a couple more decades to see greatness crumble from its own arrogance.

As a last comment, interesting that he sees little to no place for one of the three sides of the Executive-Administrative-Legislative troika...intriguing that what the founding fathers saw as part of the structure of the Nation necessary to provide checks-and-balances to ensure the Constitution endured as intended are now evil black-robers who are eroding what the Executive and 49% of the people today want.

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