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Re: Sexual Assault & Sexual Misconduct in the CF
« Reply #825 on: December 19, 2016, 14:34:19 »
Done effectively, it's precious little presentation and primarily people participating.

Just my point. We train presenters already. Facilitators? Not
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Re: Sexual Assault & Sexual Misconduct in the CF
« Reply #826 on: December 19, 2016, 16:00:39 »
Here's the TED Talk that the training is based off of: https://www.ted.com/talks/jackson_katz_violence_against_women_it_s_a_men_s_issue

This TED Talk is being touted a lot lately and quite frankly I did not find it very good. He is very emotional and invested but...much like the Bystander scenarios, is the best that can be offered in terms of setting standard?

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Re: Sexual Assault & Sexual Misconduct in the CF
« Reply #827 on: January 07, 2017, 06:44:17 »
And the military justice system carries on, finding someone NOT guilty ...
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Yesterday (5 Jan 2017), Master Corporal Dustin Jackson was found not guilty by a standing court martial in Gatineau, Quebec.

The charges were related to an alleged sexual assault of a female member of the Canadian Armed Forces in Ottawa, Ontario in October, 2011, which was reported in January 2014.   
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    Of the two charges which were preferred by the Director of Military Prosecutions on April 13, 2015, Military Judge, Lieutenant-Colonel Louis-Vincent d’Auteuil:

        Found Master Corporal Jackson not guilty of one charge of sexual assault under section 130 of the National Defence Act (NDA) (section 271 Criminal Code of Canada).

        Found Master Corporal Jackson not guilty of one charge of having behaved in a disgraceful manner under section 93 of the NDA.

    The CAF takes all allegations of any form of sexual misconduct seriously and is committed to dealing with them as quickly as possible ...
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Re: Sexual Assault & Sexual Misconduct in the CF
« Reply #828 on: January 07, 2017, 08:51:56 »
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which was reported in January 2014.
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committed to dealing with them as quickly as possible

Is 3 years an average time for sexual assault cases to go to trial in the CF?

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Re: Sexual Assault & Sexual Misconduct in the CF
« Reply #829 on: February 21, 2017, 06:42:46 »
The latest one in Shilo was 10 months from incident to charge.  Likely another year before trial. 
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Re: Sexual Assault & Sexual Misconduct in the CF
« Reply #830 on: February 21, 2017, 12:19:47 »
This TED Talk is being touted a lot lately and quite frankly I did not find it very good. He is very emotional and invested but...much like the Bystander scenarios, is the best that can be offered in terms of setting standard?

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It makes me angry. I recently took the "respect in the CAF" course and we watch this video. While any message he had may have been good,  it is lost in the first 10 minutes with his self congratulatory , pro feminist, anti male tirade. His work maybe good but he is a terrible presenter and this is a Tedx talk for a women's empowerment group which may have tainted his message a lot.

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Re: Sexual Assault & Sexual Misconduct in the CF
« Reply #831 on: April 28, 2017, 08:30:54 »
Apr 27, 2017

OTTAWA – A former officer stationed at Canadian Forces Base Esquimalt in British Columbia has been charged with sexual assault.

National Defence says in a news release that the assault was alleged to have occurred against another military employee in 2010.
http://www.680news.com/2017/04/27/former-military-officer-charged-with-sexual-assault-in-british-columbia/

Apr 28, 2017

Forces say they want to oust 77 members for sexual misconduct
http://www.680news.com/2017/04/28/forces-say-want-oust-77-members-sexual-misconduct/
Officials also say military police plan to review more than 150 old cases of sexual misconduct reported between 2010 and 2016 but deemed unfounded.
That includes having experts from outside the military, including social workers and others, look at the files and meet victims.
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Re: Sexual Assault & Sexual Misconduct in the CF
« Reply #832 on: May 05, 2017, 21:01:09 »
That's a double edged sword. More than happy to see guilty members kicked out as I'm sure a number of them have escaped justice so far. That said I can only hope innocent members don't get wrongly punted.

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Re: Sexual Assault & Sexual Misconduct in the CF
« Reply #833 on: May 06, 2017, 11:55:06 »
That's a double edged sword. More than happy to see guilty members kicked out as I'm sure a number of them have escaped justice so far. That said I can only hope innocent members don't get wrongly punted.

Yup, these things usually turn into " we must find evil even if it's not there"  so they can drag out their employment longer.
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Re: Sexual Assault & Sexual Misconduct in the CF
« Reply #834 on: May 06, 2017, 12:39:49 »
 
Ah yes, no one expects the Spanish Inquisition.

Because nothing says "witch hunt" like bringing in outside "experts" to look at closed, unfounded files... and meet alleged  victims.

(yes, 680 News, you missed that word "alleged")  :not-again:
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Re: Sexual Assault & Sexual Misconduct in the CF
« Reply #835 on: May 06, 2017, 12:53:24 »
 
Ah yes, no one expects the Spanish Inquisition.

Because nothing says "witch hunt" like bringing in outside "experts" to look at closed, unfounded files... and meet alleged  victims.

(yes, 680 News, you missed that word "alleged")  :not-again:

Since when do social workers get to look at police investigations?

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Re: Sexual Assault & Sexual Misconduct in the CF
« Reply #836 on: May 06, 2017, 13:14:25 »
Since when do social workers get to look at police investigations?

Since conducting an external review.
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Re: Sexual Assault & Sexual Misconduct in the CF
« Reply #837 on: May 06, 2017, 13:16:18 »
Since when do social workers get to look at police investigations?

More often than you would think!  Child abuse, domestic abuse, rape crisis teams and hospital support teams normally consist of police and social worker partnership. http://wawg.ca/system/assets/attachments/000/000/173/original/Sexual_Assault_Protocol_Final_June_2014.pdf
http://www.edmontonpolice.ca/CommunityPolicing/FamilyProtection/ChildProtection/CARRT.aspx
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Re: Sexual Assault & Sexual Misconduct in the CF
« Reply #838 on: May 06, 2017, 13:20:39 »
Since conducting an external review.

An external review would be having the RCMP/OPP/TPS/OPS/etc... Come look at the files they investigated.

This is the NIS reopening files they already investigated (guess they didn't do a good job the first time) and then letting non law enforcement types look at all their investigative work, as if those non law-enforcement types have any expertise in investigations.  An I missing something here?   :dunno:

More often than you would think!  Child abuse, domestic abuse, rape crisis teams and hospital support teams normally consist of police and social worker partnership. http://wawg.ca/system/assets/attachments/000/000/173/original/Sexual_Assault_Protocol_Final_June_2014.pdf
http://www.edmontonpolice.ca/CommunityPolicing/FamilyProtection/ChildProtection/CARRT.aspx

Thanks Simian,

I'm aware of the role hospitals and health professionals play but they don't conduct investigations, that's a law enforcement responsibility.
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Re: Sexual Assault & Sexual Misconduct in the CF
« Reply #839 on: May 06, 2017, 13:26:13 »
HB,

Non-law enforcement types have experience in lots of investigations - sex misconduct assault/abuse, child abuse, domestic abuse.  Their investigations result in child custody hearings, restraining orders, etc.  So I think the experienced non-law enforcement types have some good investigative skills.  They would not be looking at police misconduct in the cases, they are looking at the evidence of sex assault/misconduct.
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Re: Sexual Assault & Sexual Misconduct in the CF
« Reply #840 on: May 06, 2017, 13:42:17 »
HB,

Non-law enforcement types have experience in lots of investigations - sex misconduct assault/abuse, child abuse, domestic abuse.  Their investigations result in child custody hearings, restraining orders, etc.  So I think the experienced non-law enforcement types have some good investigative skills.  They would not be looking at police misconduct in the cases, they are looking at the evidence of sex assault/misconduct.

Part in yellow, two very different things.  One is a criminal act, the other is a cultural perception.  The words should not be used interchangeably, even though it has become the modus operandi over the past few years.


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Re: Sexual Assault & Sexual Misconduct in the CF
« Reply #841 on: May 06, 2017, 14:40:22 »
They would not be looking at police misconduct in the cases, they are looking at the evidence of sex assault/misconduct.
Sorry, but I have heartache with this.  Bringing in non-police people to go through already conducted criminal allegations deemed 'unfounded' says two things:

1)  NIS investigative skills are  lacking;  and/or

2)  We're going to bring in whoever we want, for as long as it takes, to find "the answer" we need to appease the Toronto Star, et al.

Both of which are troubling.
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Re: Sexual Assault & Sexual Misconduct in the CF
« Reply #842 on: May 06, 2017, 14:49:31 »
What happens then when someone exonerated by the police, gets found guilty by the consultants?
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Re: Sexual Assault & Sexual Misconduct in the CF
« Reply #843 on: May 06, 2017, 15:13:59 »
What happens then when someone exonerated by the police, gets found guilty by the consultants?

That's a complicated question, but not necessarily the right one. As we've discovered with other agencies, some of the unfounded allegations are most likely a clerical error when we conclude our files. Unfounded was used a lot when not enough evidence existed to charge someone. On the face of it, if there isn't enough evidence for an arrest or charges to proceed, doesn't make it unfounded. I'm sure the review will find one of several things:

1) unfounded was mistakenly applied (it's literally a drop down box where you tick off a letter to indicate the status and that box is what is used to generate stats) and it's actually founded but not enough evidence was uncovered to support charges;

2) it actually was unfounded (completely unfounded cases are pretty rare - typically evidence would be uncovered of some sort of maliciousness on the part of the complainant); and

3) some files marked unfounded may need to be re-opened as further investigative steps or new policing procedures or techniques may benefit the case. If that's the case, I imagine the case would be re-opened by the agency of jurisdiction (almost certainly the CFNIS) and they would evaluate the (new- if any) evidence and decide whether they've met the reasonable grounds to believe standard to move forward.

Crown counsel has a higher threshold to prove however - and at least here in BC could decline to approve charges (it's pre-charge approval in BC folks, for those that know what I'm talking about) for one of the following reasons:

a) no reasonable prospect of conviction; and

b) no public interest in pursuing charges.

A lot of police files with substantial evidence don't make it past reason (a).

So I think the question you should be asking Mike is: "What happens when the consultants uncover an investigation that was incomplete or subject to the techniques of the time and now evidence has been uncovered that could (much later down the road) lead to a conviction"? 
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Re: Sexual Assault & Sexual Misconduct in the CF
« Reply #844 on: May 06, 2017, 18:40:17 »
That's a complicated question, but not necessarily the right one. As we've discovered with other agencies, some of the unfounded allegations are most likely a clerical error when we conclude our files. Unfounded was used a lot when not enough evidence existed to charge someone. On the face of it, if there isn't enough evidence for an arrest or charges to proceed, doesn't make it unfounded. I'm sure the review will find one of several things:

1) unfounded was mistakenly applied (it's literally a drop down box where you tick off a letter to indicate the status and that box is what is used to generate stats) and it's actually founded but not enough evidence was uncovered to support charges;

2) it actually was unfounded (completely unfounded cases are pretty rare - typically evidence would be uncovered of some sort of maliciousness on the part of the complainant); and

3) some files marked unfounded may need to be re-opened as further investigative steps or new policing procedures or techniques may benefit the case. If that's the case, I imagine the case would be re-opened by the agency of jurisdiction (almost certainly the CFNIS) and they would evaluate the (new- if any) evidence and decide whether they've met the reasonable grounds to believe standard to move forward.

Crown counsel has a higher threshold to prove however - and at least here in BC could decline to approve charges (it's pre-charge approval in BC folks, for those that know what I'm talking about) for one of the following reasons:

a) no reasonable prospect of conviction; and

b) no public interest in pursuing charges.

A lot of police files with substantial evidence don't make it past reason (a).

So I think the question you should be asking Mike is: "What happens when the consultants uncover an investigation that was incomplete or subject to the techniques of the time and now evidence has been uncovered that could (much later down the road) lead to a conviction"? 
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Re: Sexual Assault & Sexual Misconduct in the CF
« Reply #845 on: May 06, 2017, 19:46:04 »
While there is no statute of limitations for sexual assault, investigations have to use the legal standard of the time. For example, an incident that took place in 1985, would need to use the 1985 Criminal Code as a benchmark. It's also important to note, if it's a CFNIS investigation, it's typically not a "sexual harassment" issue but a sexual assault/abuse issue. Harassment is still dealt with at the local unit level or if it involves Criminal harassment, by the applicable police service of jurisdiction.
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