CDN/US Covid-related political discussion

[Fishbone Jones]

Saw this out of New York City this A.M.

Our government is providing $5M to help fire services across Ontario address the impacts of #COVID19. This investment will enhance fire safety training and support safety inspection programs to ensure compliance with the Ontario Fire Code.

Learn more: https://t.co/7fbfhQVSoi pic.twitter.com/SZFbH7N2Ae

— Doug Ford (@fordnation) March 14, 2021

Doug - "Stop the gravy train!" - is likely remembered by the Toronto firefighters union. Best not to use their staff and trucks as political props.

Doug Ford, firefighters union clash over fire truck

Councillor Doug Ford and Toronto firefighters union president Ed Kennedy clash over the use of a fire truck during the mayor’s re-election launch.

www.thestar.com

( When Doug lost his battle for City Hall, but won Queen's Park, one City employee was heard to remark - presumably meant as gentle good humour - "Our loss is their loss." )

Is there something covid happening with the fire dept? I can't see it.

 

[mariomike]

Is there something covid happening with the fire dept? I can't see it.

Ontario Newsroom

news.ontario.ca

TORONTO — The Ontario government is providing $5 million in funding to help municipal fire services address the impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Ontario Newsroom

news.ontario.ca

Got it. Cheers

 

[lenaitch]

Is there something covid happening with the fire dept? I can't see it.

They're closing the Ontario Fire College in Gravenhurst so this might not all be new money but re-directed to some departments to set up as 'regional training hubs'.

 

[Altair]

Torontonians age 16-59, Click here to join the standby list for extra vaccines at the end of day from east end vaccine clinics. https://t.co/0Cnu37xEqR #topoli #onted

— Vote Norm Di Pasquale Spadina-Harbourfront NDP🇨🇦 (@normsworld) March 27, 2021

Ages 16-59 on standby for extra vaccines...

Yet Premier Doug Ford talking about not having enough.

Hmmmmm....

 

[brihard]

Torontonians age 16-59, Click here to join the standby list for extra vaccines at the end of day from east end vaccine clinics. https://t.co/0Cnu37xEqR #topoli #onted

— Vote Norm Di Pasquale Spadina-Harbourfront NDP🇨🇦 (@normsworld) March 27, 2021

Ages 16-59 on standby for extra vaccines...

Yet Premier Doug Ford talking about not having enough.

Hmmmmm....

Both can be true. At the macro level, more vaccines are needed than the feds have delivered. The federal government has utterly failed in contrast with other nations.

At the micro level, individual vaccines have a shelf life, and particularly once opened or taken from certain refrigeration, they have to be used fast. At the end of any given day, there will likely be some doses that will simply be spoiled if not used nearly immediately. It’s prudent to account for that and to have a fast call list to make sure all are used.

 

[Altair]

you totally avoided the question. Try again.

No.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Both can be true. At the macro level, more vaccines are needed than the feds have delivered. The federal government has utterly failed in contrast with other nations.

At the micro level, individual vaccines have a shelf life, and particularly once opened or taken from certain refrigeration, they have to be used fast. At the end of any given day, there will likely be some doses that will simply be spoiled if not used nearly immediately. It’s prudent to account for that and to have a fast call list to make sure all are used.

Agreed......and also the fact that Ontario has 14.5 million people which is probably way more than the total vaccines so far received by Canada. That would bolster the macro side point.

 

[Haggis]

Provinces: "The supply of vaccines delivered by the federal government is insufficient to meet our needs."

Liberals: "The provinces are squandering the vaccines we are providing through inefficient distribution."

 

[Altair]

Provinces: "The supply of vaccines delivered by the federal government is insufficient to meet our needs."

Liberals: "The provinces are squandering the vaccines we are providing through inefficient distribution."

I think you just summed up confederation.

 

[Navy_Pete]

Both can be true. At the macro level, more vaccines are needed than the feds have delivered. The federal government has utterly failed in contrast with other nations.

At the micro level, individual vaccines have a shelf life, and particularly once opened or taken from certain refrigeration, they have to be used fast. At the end of any given day, there will likely be some doses that will simply be spoiled if not used nearly immediately. It’s prudent to account for that and to have a fast call list to make sure all are used.

Depends which other nations you are comparing against; compared to the different countries in the EU that also lack manufacturing capabilities we are doing fine for receiving supply, but any distribution over a country as big as Canada is going to be inefficient when it's phased at targeting different at risk groups first. Much easier to manage the logistics when you're entire population is in a country the size of NS and you can drive across it in six hours.

 

[Weinie]

Depends which other nations you are comparing against; compared to the different countries in the EU that also lack manufacturing capabilities we are doing fine for receiving supply, but any distribution over a country as big as Canada is going to be inefficient when it's phased at targeting different at risk groups first. Much easier to manage the logistics when you're entire population is in a country the size of NS and you can drive across it in six hours.

Yeah, except that we have known how big our country was since 1867.

 

[Altair]

I heard that Germany has a target date of September to be fully vaccinated, same as Canada, so in that respect we are not doing that bad.

German Covid Easter U-turn shakes Merkel's cool, calm image

Chancellor Merkel takes political flak as Germany struggles to agree on lockdown measures.

www.bbc.com

Mrs Merkel, who has warned that hard weeks lie ahead, has promised to accelerate the vaccine rollout, and is sticking to her pledge to offer all adults a vaccine by late September.

So Canada looks to be done around the same time as our European allies.

 

[Haggis]

Yeah, except that we have known how big our country was since 1867.

In 1867 it wasn't all that big.

 

[Altair]

I swear this vaccine freak-out is solely due to being neighbours with the USA and having ties to the mother country.

Once we look beyond the USA and UK who are both manufacturing vaccines like mad to try to deal with their high death tolls (Something nobody want to compare Canada to for some reason, probably because we look like world beaters in comparison to those two in that regard) we look to be on track with the rest of the first world, minus a few outliers.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

In 1867 it wasn't all that big.

Bigger then over there......

 

[cavalryman]

Yeah, except that we have known how big our country was since 1867.

Technically, we didn't know how big our country was until 1949.

I'll see myself out now.

 

[Weinie]

In 1867 it wasn't all that big.

Pardon? It was bigger than N.S. And we have had 154 years to figure out distribution. We have already cracked the code on Molson's and Tim Hortons.

 

[Altair]

Pardon? It was bigger than N.S. And we have had 154 years to figure out distribution. We have already cracked the code on Molson's and Tim Hortons.

Tim Hortons and Molson don't need to import beer or coffee from a few sources that are having concerns about exports, store them at -70 Celsius, distribute them to 10 provinces and 3 territories based on population, all of them having different online portals to book their appointment, with the added complication that people will need a second round anywhere from 3 weeks to 4 months later, which, if they fail to get right, people die.

 

[Weinie]

Tim Hortons and Molson don't need to import beer or coffee from a few sources that are having concerns about exports, store them at -70 Celsius, distribute them to 10 provinces and 3 territories based on population, all of them having different online portals to book their appointment, with the added complication that people will need a second round anywhere from 3 weeks to 4 months later, which, if they fail to get right, people die.

You say poh tay toe, I say pah tat toe.