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All Things First Nations - CF help, protests, solutions, residential schools, etc. (merged)

Jarnhamar said:
You reckon the RCMP are going to go after those AK47 assault rifles on the reserve/s in Quebec now?
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First, the RCMP are not the police of criminal jurisdiction on those reserves.  It's either the local police (i.e. Kahnawake Peacekeepers, Akwesasne Mohawk Police Service) or OPP/SQ, if summoned.

Second, they didn't go after them in 1990 - 1994, so why now?

Third, are you going to execute a raid based on the word of a politician? Last time that happened, there were no WMDs found in Iraq.
 
Haggis said:
First, the RCMP are not the police of criminal jurisdiction on those reserves.  It's either the local police (i.e. Kahnawake Peacekeepers, Akwesasne Mohawk Police Service) or OPP/SQ, if summoned.

Second, they didn't go after them in 1990 - 1994, so why now?

Third, are you going to execute a raid based on the word of a politician? Last time that happened, there were no WMDs found in Iraq.
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Fourth, if there were AK-47s on site, they're already back across the river on the New York side.
 
I get the feeling like the focus on the supposed AK47s was a trap/deflection.

One of those times that Altair correctly predicts the course of events and the conversations immediately switches to assault rifles as opposed to the peaceful end of the rail blockades across canada.
 
Altair said:
I get the feeling like the focus on the supposed AK47s was a trap/deflection.

One of those times that Altair correctly predicts the course of events and the conversations immediately switches to assault rifles as opposed to the peaceful end of the rail blockades across canada.
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Less of a deflection and more using you as a soundboard to point out hypocrisy among the governments anti-gun platform.

So all the blockaids are down now?

 
MilEME09 said:
https://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/stats/rail/2018/sser-ssro-2018.html

Only 8% result in derailment
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... on main lines - +50% on non-main lines according to the same source.  I'll leave those more expert to explain the difference between the types of lines.
 

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... on main lines - +50% on non-main lines according to the same source.  I'll leave those more expert to explain the difference between the types of lines.
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I am in no way an authoritative figure on railways.. my hire on date was September 2017. So please keep that in mind, I can and do make mistakes and I am continually learning intricacies of the rules I did not know before. Any rate I will try to explain.

Main track is basically anywhere the RTC (Rail traffic Controller) can tell you what to do. Either through OCS, ABS or CTC authorities.

Non-Main Track is 105 territory, that includes yards, dark sidings and industries.

If you follow this link, click on definitions and it will better explain Main track and non-main track. https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/railsafety/rules-tco167.htm

Also I may have missed this earlier if it is 12 derailments in Canada since December on Main track only.. that could be correct. Non-Main track is were the majority of derailments happen (in my experience as well as by these statistics to apparently).

Any rate that link is to the authoritative source for railway rules in Canada. So if anything there contradicts me, I am wrong.

Abdullah
 
AbdullahD said:
I am in no way an authoritative figure on railways.. my hire on date was September 2017. So please keep that in mind, I can and do make mistakes and I am continually learning intricacies of the rules I did not know before. Any rate I will try to explain.

Main track is basically anywhere the RTC (Rail traffic Controller) can tell you what to do. Either through OCS, ABS or CTC authorities.

Non-Main Track is 105 territory, that includes yards, dark sidings and industries.

If you follow this link, click on definitions and it will better explain Main track and non-main track. https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/railsafety/rules-tco167.htm

Also I may have missed this earlier if it is 12 derailments in Canada since December on Main track only.. that could be correct. Non-Main track is were the majority of derailments happen (in my experience as well as by these statistics to apparently).

Any rate that link is to the authoritative source for railway rules in Canada. So if anything there contradicts me, I am wrong.

Abdullah
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Thanks for more of the rest of the story - much appreciated!
 
This is appalling.

I've driven by that facility many times on the way to and from exercises in the area and had no idea, of course. May they rest in peace....




Indigenous leaders and experts in British Columbia are calling for the protection of sites of former residential schools, warning that the bodies of 215 children found in Kamloops, B.C., likely represent just a small portion of the thousands more who died while the schools were in operation.

Linc Kesler, director of the University of British Columbia's First Nations House of Learning, said it's only a matter of time before the same type of technology used by the Tk'emlúps te Secwépemc First Nation reveals more physical evidence of the horrors of residential schools across Canada.

"It's absolutely not an isolated incident," Kesler said.

On Thursday, the Tk'emlúps te Secwépemc First Nation said preliminary findings from a ground-penetrating radar survey uncovered the remains.

 
A horrible tragedy for sure. I'm pretty sure the conditions within the dorms were breeding grounds for all sorts of communicable diseases that would roar through a place like that. Coupled with an indifferent bureaucracy and disdain for the indigenous community its no wonder there would be an over-abundance of death there.

I recall walking through the grave yard in Revelstoke and was amazed at the number of young children, and women buried with their baby. A lot of the markers were pre WWI but many others was from the 20's and early 30's. People today don't realize how dangerous it was a 100 years ago to be a young child or a woman giving birth.
 
Take a walk in any old cemetery and look at the gravestones, not very many lived a long and healthy life. Lots of child deaths, mothers, young adults, industrial accidents, horse accidents, diseases, etc. The reason there was so many boomers was because historically a family would have had 6 or 7 kids and only 3-4 would make it to adult hood, modern medicine made it so pretty much all of them lived and we have since adjusted accordingly.

Most of those children who died were of Tuberculosis. In 1815 in England, 1 in 4 people would die of that disease. It was a very serious issue and it wasn't really sorted out until 1946 when a actual cure was made. Modern facilities (running water, effective heating systems, etc.) helped reduce the prevalence of it in the early 20th century, but until 1946 it was still very serious if you did catch it.
 
Reading some of the comments online there are some people who think that they were murdered and buried in a mass grave. I'm not sure that this really should be a shocking discovery. We knew that there was potentially a couple thousand children who had died without their deaths being tracked. It seems odd that there wasn't some form of record kept of the locations of the bodies, if for nothing else to prevent them from being buried on top of each other. I'm surprised that a search didn't occur earlier.
 
Kilted said:
Reading some of the comments online there are some people who think that they were murdered and buried in a mass grave.
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I can accept a child dying of natural causes. It happens even today and a few of these souls may have gone that way. For the remainder, though, whether they died from murder, neglect, mistreatment, illness or suicide, they were in the care of the church and state and this should not have happened.
 
You can see the bandwagon jumping for people, organisations and parties to get their "Woke PC medal" and brownie points on this issue. The issue has been known for years and I bet people knew about the graveyard in the area and likely extent of it, which was what led to the radar survey. There are a lot of terrible things done in the residential school system or happened in them and you can bet some of the issues were not just the staff. Now what would be good is to find out what was the average school population at different times and compare the child mortality rate to the average of the time to see how big of a difference it was. Just the rough math is 2.7 kids a year died at the school. Wiki indicates that the school held around 400 students at one period, conditions were less than ideal Kamloops Indian Residential School - Wikipedia

The residential school system is a perfect example of 'Political Correct thinking" run amuck. While we are aghast at what happened today, these were promoted by the same type of people then, that are pushing PC stuff today.
 
So what happens now. Memorials, more half-masses flags, monetary settlements, searching of more past-residential schools? What’s the end goal here besides more “outrage”, sending thoughts and prayers and apologies from governments on behalf of things that happened decades ago. The heads on TV are talking a lot without saying anything.
 
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So what happens now. Memorials, more half-masses flags, monetary settlements, searching of more past-residential schools? What’s the end goal here besides more “outrage”, sending thoughts and prayers and apologies from governments on behalf of things that happened decades ago. The heads on TV are talking a lot without saying anything.
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Yes, yes it seems so:

Days after children's remains reported, Trudeau says more help coming for residential school survivors​



"Our government will continue to engage with the communities on the development of culturally appropriate approaches to identifying these children, locating burial sites and commemorating and memorializing those who died or went missing attending these schools."

 
Eaglelord17 said:
Take a walk in any old cemetery and look at the gravestones, not very many lived a long and healthy life. Lots of child deaths, mothers, young adults, industrial accidents, horse accidents, diseases, etc. The reason there was so many boomers was because historically a family would have had 6 or 7 kids and only 3-4 would make it to adult hood, modern medicine made it so pretty much all of them lived and we have since adjusted accordingly.

Most of those children who died were of Tuberculosis. In 1815 in England, 1 in 4 people would die of that disease. It was a very serious issue and it wasn't really sorted out until 1946 when a actual cure was made. Modern facilities (running water, effective heating systems, etc.) helped reduce the prevalence of it in the early 20th century, but until 1946 it was still very serious if you did catch it.
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My dad was born in 1914. His mom died two days later 'from childbirth' Two other siblings died young; one I think around 3 and the other in her late teens or early 20s (might have the Spanish Flu). Life was much more precarious back then and, if you were Indigenous, Chinese, Black, etc., considered by many to be cheap.

TB was particularly rampant on FNTs back then and is still prevalent on some communities today and back then basically untreatable (dad got it in the '30s and survived with one functioning lung - lived to age 80).

Even if the deaths were not nefarious, there is no way the government of the day was going to spend money to send the bodies back. Whether the lack of historical record was deliberate, poor record keeping or something more sinister we may never know.

Amongst other things, I can see a renewed effort to 'de-celebrate' (?) those politicians and public figures who championed the residential school system (Ryerson, et al).
 
Im already starting to see misinformation about this. There are a lot of people who are willing to believe almost anything.
 
Obviously from comments I've seen elsewhere some people are surprised by this; I'd guess they don't know much about the history of the residential school system. Children will have died due to illness, innocent misadventure (accidents), neglect, and abuse. I'd expect most of the deaths occurred in the earlier years, which would also have been the time at which authorities were least likely to transport remains back to families. So expect local burials. Expect things to have been done on the cheap (no markers). Expect the criminal deaths to have been hushed up (stories of middle-of-night burials). I've known since before I graduated high school that kids died (and undoubtedly some were killed) while attending those institutions and were buried locally. It's just a question of finding the remains. Not all the deaths were nefarious. But not much respect was accorded the deceased and the families.
 
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