Political impacts of Ukraine war

[KevinB]

Technically, an Executive Order could direct DoD to implement the God-code, thus grounding the fleet.

Unless LockMart decided that the future belongs to them and has a F-35 make a different trip…
17% share price hit since 47 took office.

 

[Brad Sallows]

So if the US gets out, is Europe going to take up the slack to support Ukraine to indefinitely fight a war at a level that ensures it can never actually win it?

 

[quadrapiper]

So if the US gets out, is Europe going to take up the slack to support Ukraine to indefinitely fight a war at a level that ensures it can never actually win it?

Alternatively: how much was the US holding back, whether overtly or through promising one thing or another and then dragging their feet, other countries' support?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Illegal if true - as Congressional bills have that in it.

How much sway does Trump have over congress? I know the GOP have a majority right now, but a lot of them are not hardcore Trump fans. They might tie support to Ukraine for the easy passage of other bills?

 

[Kirkhill]

This is novel, as far as I'm concerned.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kremlin-says-joining-eu-is-ukraines-sovereign-right-2025-02-18/

MOSCOW, Feb 18 (Reuters) - The Kremlin said on Tuesday that it was Ukraine's sovereign right to decide whether it wanted to join the European Union and that Moscow did not intend to dictate to Kyiv how it should approach the question.
Asked if Ukraine could one day join the European Union, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said: "This is the sovereign right of any country."
"We are talking about integration and economic integration processes. And here, of course, no one can dictate anything to any country, and we are not going to do that," Peskov said.

Three things

This whole mess started in 2013 over Putin opposing Ukraine's entry into the EU.
The EU is now also a defensive alliance.
Putin is apparently recognizing Ukraine as a sovereign state.

Is that movement?

Mutual defence clause - EUR-Lex

eur-lex.europa.eu

Europeans urged to strengthen defense, unite for lasting peace

Europeans urged to strengthen defense, unite for lasting peace -

english.news.cn

 

[IKnowNothing]

Technically, an Executive Order could direct DoD to implement the God-code, thus grounding the fleet.

What's what I was afraid of. Same situation for P-8's?

 

[MilEME09]

This is novel, as far as I'm concerned.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kremlin-says-joining-eu-is-ukraines-sovereign-right-2025-02-18/

Three things

This whole mess started in 2013 over Putin opposing Ukraine's entry into the EU.
The EU is now also a defensive alliance.
Putin is apparently recognizing Ukraine as a sovereign state.

Is that movement?

Mutual defence clause - EUR-Lex

eur-lex.europa.eu

Europeans urged to strengthen defense, unite for lasting peace

Europeans urged to strengthen defense, unite for lasting peace -

english.news.cn

seems like an about turn

 

[Remius]

seems like an about turn

Don’t trust them. At all.

 

[Good2Golf]

What's what I was afraid of. Same situation for P-8's?

Never heard about it in that platform.

Of course, it’s all conjecture…

 

[KevinB]

Don’t trust them. At all.

How do you know Russian is lying it’s easy. Their lips are moving.

 

[KevinB]

How much sway does Trump have over congress? I know the GOP have a majority right now, but a lot of them are not hardcore Trump fans. They might tie support to Ukraine for the easy passage of other bills?

A few have come out against him, but several have come out in private and said that the Musk/MAGA faction has threatened them physically as well as financial with ruin if they vote against him.

 

[JLB50]

Sit down and take a breath, you will be ok.

The US will remain the leader of the free world. They are not paying everyone’s bill anymore. A free ride always ends at some point.

Yeah, Ukraine is one of those nations who are getting a free ride, especially after they invaded Russia.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Never heard about it in that platform.

Of course, it’s all conjecture…

Ah. I took that post at face value. That there's a "best case" scenario of a higher tech and more rapid degredation Iran/F14 situation is... something, I guess.

 

[Good2Golf]

Ah. I took that post at face value. That there's a "best case" scenario of a higher tech and more rapid degredation Iran/F14 situation is... something, I guess.

Nothing wrong with taking it at face value. I didn’t code it, but it has been known to be done in other cases, so the F-35 absolutely makes sense to be thusly equipped.

I threw the conjecture qualifier in there since I did not do any programming myself in the first person.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Nothing wrong with taking it at face value. I didn’t code it, but it has been known to be done in other cases, so the F-35 absolutely makes sense to be thusly equipped.

Either way- bring on your F4 Rafales.

 

[Good2Golf]

Yup!

When Manifest Destiny hits a brick wall, it’s time to move on…

 

[IKnowNothing]

Yup!

When Manifest Destiny hits a brick wall, it’s time to move on…

I'm of two minds- is it absurd for Canada, Czechia, Finland, Germany, Greece, Poland, Romania to NOT cancel their orders and reallocate to Rafale and Typhoon if the next few weeks play out as they look to, or is considering it an overreaction?

 

[GR66]

I'm of two minds- is it absurd for Canada, Czechia, Finland, Germany, Greece, Poland, Romania to NOT cancel their orders and reallocate to Rafale and Typhoon if the next few weeks play out as they look to, or is considering it an overreaction?

No need to cancel our F-35 order...Musk hates the F-35 and knows that uncrewed is the way to go. He'll cancel the order for us!

 

[JLB50]

I'm of two minds- is it absurd for Canada, Czechia, Finland, Germany, Greece, Poland, Romania to NOT cancel their orders and reallocate to Rafale and Typhoon if the next few weeks play out as they look to, or is considering it an overreaction?

I’m with you on ordering Rafale or Typhoons, although possibly ordering only enough F-35s to satisfy our NORAD commitment. Having said that, I’m not even sure if we should stay in NORAD. So it could end up being either a complete or a partial order of European fighters.

 

[Good2Golf]

I'm of two minds- is it absurd for Canada, Czechia, Finland, Germany, Greece, Poland, Romania to NOT cancel their orders and reallocate to Rafale and Typhoon if the next few weeks play out as they look to, or is considering it an overreaction?

I was of two minds earlier, but one of those minds has atrophied.

America has jumped the shark.

Time for Canada and the rest of the democratic world to move on…