AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)

[Halifax Tar]

Further progress on JSS 1:

Powering Up: Celebrating the Successful Switchboard Activation on JSS1 - Seaspan

March 27, 2025 Earlier this month, the team at Seaspan’s Vancouver Shipyards celebrated the activation of the first of two 440v main switchboards on HMCS Protecteur, a major milestone in the Joint Support Ship’s commissioning schedule. The main switchboards are critical – they control and...

www.seaspan.com

Shes coming life boy-o!

 

[MilEME09]

new video by seaspan

JSS1 HMCS Protecteur - CDR Visits Seaspan to Tour JSS1

JSS1 HMCS Protecteur - CDR visits Seaspan to get an update on the first Joint Support Ship that is being built for the RCN— HMCS Protecteur.

canadiandefencereview.com

 

[Underway]

I've given Joetey a tour before. He's a gem. Very well read, asks intelligent questions which show's that he's well read on naval topics and extremely personable. Legitimately excited about the RCN.

 

[Swampbuggy]

I've given Joetey a tour before. He's a gem. Very well read, asks intelligent questions which show's that he's well read on naval topics and extremely personable. Legitimately excited about the RCN.

Love his YouTube channel. Very enthusiastic guy who presents his tours in a relatable and engaging way.

 

[PrairieFella]

I've given Joetey a tour before. He's a gem. Very well read, asks intelligent questions which show's that he's well read on naval topics and extremely personable. Legitimately excited about the RCN.

Was he a Navy fella?

 

[PuckChaser]

I've given Joetey a tour before. He's a gem. Very well read, asks intelligent questions which show's that he's well read on naval topics and extremely personable. Legitimately excited about the RCN.

He makes some great videos on all sorts of topics. Even made CMTC ExCon seem interesting.

 

[Kirkhill]

Back in time to the Joint Support Ship as originally envisaged.

Multi-Role Support Ship. AKA a militarized coastal freighter.

Turkey's STM debuts multi-role support ship model in Malaysia - Breaking Defense

STM said the vessel is designed to “support amphibious operations” through armored unit transportation, to deliver logistical support and can be used for search and rescue operations.

breakingdefense.com

In a statement, STM said the vessel is designed

to “support amphibious operations” through armored unit transportation,

to deliver logistical support and

can be used for search and rescue operations.

....

And then there is the RN

Royal Navy will iron out MRSS concept by mid-2025

A senior MoD official confirmed that an Outline Business Case detailing the initial concept of MRSS will be submitted in mid-2025.

www.naval-technology.com

Six MRSS vessels will replace the decommissioned Albion-class and the ageing Bay-class. This means that the future platform must be highly versatile in replacing the two different classes.

“The Multi-Role Support Ship design will need to incorporate the twin needs of enabling an initial amphibious landing and supporting an extant bridgehead, as well as having a ight deck for helicopters, and defensive armament,” observed James Rogers in a report published by the Council of Geostrategy last year.

“The new design would also offer an opportunity to embed an uncrewed system capability, particularly aerial, the potential for amphibious platforms – with their ample space, flight deck, and command and control systems – makes them a promising ‘mothership’ to multiply a variety of systems.”

And the Dutch

Zr. Ms. Karel Doorman Joint Support Ship JSS | Damen

Joint Support Ship Karel Doorman: ✔ supply at sea to support maritime units ✔ strategic sea transport ✔ logistical support 🛳️ Contact Us for cooperation!

www.damen.com

And

ATS-class amphibious warfare ship - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

6x 150m with 60 to 70 crew. Designed to be escorted. Minimum defence capabilities.

 

[Prairie canuck]

Back in time to the Joint Support Ship as originally envisaged.

Multi-Role Support Ship. AKA a militarized coastal freighter.

Turkey's STM debuts multi-role support ship model in Malaysia - Breaking Defense

STM said the vessel is designed to “support amphibious operations” through armored unit transportation, to deliver logistical support and can be used for search and rescue operations.

breakingdefense.com

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....

And then there is the RN

Royal Navy will iron out MRSS concept by mid-2025

A senior MoD official confirmed that an Outline Business Case detailing the initial concept of MRSS will be submitted in mid-2025.

www.naval-technology.com

And the Dutch

Zr. Ms. Karel Doorman Joint Support Ship JSS | Damen

Joint Support Ship Karel Doorman: ✔ supply at sea to support maritime units ✔ strategic sea transport ✔ logistical support 🛳️ Contact Us for cooperation!

www.damen.com

And

ATS-class amphibious warfare ship - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

6x 150m with 60 to 70 crew. Designed to be escorted. Minimum defence capabilities.

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Enforcer 13226 - Landing Platform Dock | Damen

Damen Landing Platform Dock Enforcer 13226 with 132 mtrs length is very effective and adaptable to new missions and tasks.

www.damen.com

A more modest ship but if the hull can be strengthened for artic operations it gives capabilities to move limited men and equipment globally. 2 or 3 vessels would be ideal. Could save some wear on the C17 fleet.

 

[Kirkhill]

Enforcer 13226 - Landing Platform Dock | Damen

Damen Landing Platform Dock Enforcer 13226 with 132 mtrs length is very effective and adaptable to new missions and tasks.

www.damen.com

A more modest ship but if the hull can be strengthened for artic operations it gives capabilities to move limited men and equipment globally. 2 or 3 vessels would be ideal. Could save some wear on the C17 fleet.

Ice Strengthened RoRos as a basis? LNG fuelled?

Wallenius-SOL orders LNG fueled RO/ROs – KNUD E. HANSEN

Discover the latest KNUD E. HANSEN news and facts from around the world. Stay updated about the latest maritime & shipping news.

www.knudehansen.com

 

[Maxman1]

Enforcer 13226 - Landing Platform Dock | Damen

Damen Landing Platform Dock Enforcer 13226 with 132 mtrs length is very effective and adaptable to new missions and tasks.

www.damen.com

A more modest ship but if the hull can be strengthened for artic operations it gives capabilities to move limited men and equipment globally. 2 or 3 vessels would be ideal. Could save some wear on the C17 fleet.

Or how about the Canberra class LHD. Maybe have Seaspan remove the ramp to give their design team something to do, since it was meant for Harriers and would need a lot more modifications to operate F-35Bs.

 

[Prairie canuck]

Or how about the Canberra class LHD. Maybe have Seaspan remove the ramp to give their design team something to do, since it was meant for Harriers and would need a lot more modifications to operate F-35Bs.

Not sure the Canberra could operate in a lot of the arctic. I suggested the Damen 13220 because it is a smaller vessel but even it might find it "tight" in some of the passages.

 

[Maxman1]

Not sure the Canberra could operate in a lot of the arctic. I suggested the Damen 13220 because it is a smaller vessel but even it might find it "tight" in some of the passages.

Or maybe we could focus on actual warfighting capabilities instead of niche Arctic toys.

 

[Underway]

Or maybe we could focus on actual warfighting capabilities instead of niche Arctic toys.

Besides Arctic capabilities are not niche. Arctic is a critical part of Canada's defence strategy and NORAD as a whole. The paradigm has shifted significantly regarding continental defence and threat angles.

Canberra class is specialized, and getting one for just the arctic is a waste. But if you considered that you might need to deploy a larger mass of troops somewhere by sea then that's a capability that should be looked at. I think the arctic can be relatively well supplied by internal air and sea transport and doesn't need a Canberra. The idea of a Canberra sized flight deck though, perhaps for increased UAV applications is something to think about, and what advantages that might bring to a RCN task group.

I would argue that a more valuable asset is a helicopter carrier style ship without the amphib addition. Amphib needs more resources than the Army is willing to provide and I can't for the life of me figure out a mission set that is really needed by a ship that big that we absolutely for sure need it for. Its' not like the Netherlands with foreign islands far from home, or the UK with their albet limited colonial holdings. Canada is contiguous and any foreign deployment will be with allied enablers. We have no requirement to ever operate on our own in an amphibiously.

 

[GR66]

Besides Arctic capabilities are not niche. Arctic is a critical part of Canada's defence strategy and NORAD as a whole. The paradigm has shifted significantly regarding continental defence and threat angles.

Canberra class is specialized, and getting one for just the arctic is a waste. But if you considered that you might need to deploy a larger mass of troops somewhere by sea then that's a capability that should be looked at. I think the arctic can be relatively well supplied by internal air and sea transport and doesn't need a Canberra. The idea of a Canberra sized flight deck though, perhaps for increased UAV applications is something to think about, and what advantages that might bring to a RCN task group.

I would argue that a more valuable asset is a helicopter carrier style ship without the amphib addition. Amphib needs more resources than the Army is willing to provide and I can't for the life of me figure out a mission set that is really needed by a ship that big that we absolutely for sure need it for. Its' not like the Netherlands with foreign islands far from home, or the UK with their albet limited colonial holdings. Canada is contiguous and any foreign deployment will be with allied enablers. We have no requirement to ever operate on our own in an amphibiously.

With the new US vs The World paradigm and Canada coming to the realization that we need to diversify our international trade does there come the possibility that Canada may have to project force in order to protect our economic interests without international (i.e. US) involvement/support?

Does that mean that the CAF may have to look at capabilities that were previously deemed non-essential/impractical? I'm not suggesting the capability to take on a nation state on our own, but perhaps for protecting Canadian mining interests against non-state actors, or dealing with Houthi-like groups threatening our oil exports for example.

 

[Underway]

With the new US vs The World paradigm and Canada coming to the realization that we need to diversify our international trade does there come the possibility that Canada may have to project force in order to protect our economic interests without international (i.e. US) involvement/support?

Does that mean that the CAF may have to look at capabilities that were previously deemed non-essential/impractical? I'm not suggesting the capability to take on a nation state on our own, but perhaps for protecting Canadian mining interests against non-state actors, or dealing with Houthi-like groups threatening our oil exports for example.

Doubtful unless its... the Arctic. All the international trade routes that are important to us are important to our allies.

If Europe can't be bothered to fight the Houthis then why the heck would we sail there to do it for them. The US doesn't even really want to do that.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Besides Arctic capabilities are not niche. Arctic is a critical part of Canada's defence strategy and NORAD as a whole. The paradigm has shifted significantly regarding continental defence and threat angles.

Canberra class is specialized, and getting one for just the arctic is a waste. But if you considered that you might need to deploy a larger mass of troops somewhere by sea then that's a capability that should be looked at. I think the arctic can be relatively well supplied by internal air and sea transport and doesn't need a Canberra. The idea of a Canberra sized flight deck though, perhaps for increased UAV applications is something to think about, and what advantages that might bring to a RCN task group.

I would argue that a more valuable asset is a helicopter carrier style ship without the amphib addition. Amphib needs more resources than the Army is willing to provide and I can't for the life of me figure out a mission set that is really needed by a ship that big that we absolutely for sure need it for. Its' not like the Netherlands with foreign islands far from home, or the UK with their albet limited colonial holdings. Canada is contiguous and any foreign deployment will be with allied enablers. We have no requirement to ever operate on our own in an amphibiously.

The Mistrals for the Russians were ice strengthened. The Canadian army was just doing amphib ops with the French using a Mistral landing ship

L’exercice militaire à Sept-Îles en photos

Sept-Îles était samedi le théâtre d'un exercice militaire conjoint entre soldats canadiens et français.

ici.radio-canada.ca

 

[Czech_pivo]

Besides Arctic capabilities are not niche. Arctic is a critical part of Canada's defence strategy and NORAD as a whole. The paradigm has shifted significantly regarding continental defence and threat angles.

Canberra class is specialized, and getting one for just the arctic is a waste. But if you considered that you might need to deploy a larger mass of troops somewhere by sea then that's a capability that should be looked at. I think the arctic can be relatively well supplied by internal air and sea transport and doesn't need a Canberra. The idea of a Canberra sized flight deck though, perhaps for increased UAV applications is something to think about, and what advantages that might bring to a RCN task group.

I would argue that a more valuable asset is a helicopter carrier style ship without the amphib addition. Amphib needs more resources than the Army is willing to provide and I can't for the life of me figure out a mission set that is really needed by a ship that big that we absolutely for sure need it for. Its' not like the Netherlands with foreign islands far from home, or the UK with their albet limited colonial holdings. Canada is contiguous and any foreign deployment will be with allied enablers. We have no requirement to ever operate on our own in an amphibiously.

Can there ever be the case (or does an example exist today/past), of there being a hybrid helo/jss style ship? Maybe only RAS on 1 side of the ship and helo/drone space on the other side? Maybe a ship that has flight/deck space for say 6 helos, plus a 2/3 helo full maintenance facility, has full RAS on one side, ship/aviation fuel storage, as well as food/water/munitions, 8-10 Reaper/Predator drones and a dental/hospital facilities. Would this make any sense?

 

[KevinB]

Can there ever be the case (or does an example exist today/past), of there being a hybrid helo/jss style ship? Maybe only RAS on 1 side of the ship and helo/drone space on the other side? Maybe a ship that has flight/deck space for say 6 helos, plus a 2/3 helo full maintenance facility, has full RAS on one side, ship/aviation fuel storage, as well as food/water/munitions, 8-10 Reaper/Predator drones and a dental/hospital facilities. Would this make any sense?

To me that would seem to be a poor combination - as you potentially would need to shut down one operation entirely to conduct another.

I could see a RAS / RORO combo, or a Helo Carrier/RORO combo, as those are tasks that aren't going to be done generally together, or if done together would be done in a port.

 

[Halifax Tar]

We are getting close the Big Cod's Big Honkin Ship.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

To me that would seem to be a poor combination - as you potentially would need to shut down one operation entirely to conduct another.

I could see a RAS / RORO combo, or a Helo Carrier/RORO combo, as those are tasks that aren't going to be done generally together, or if done together would be done in a port.

Aircraft carriers used to routinely refuel their escorts, not sure if that is ever done anymore?